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From: "Phil Walden" <phil-AT-pwalden.fsnet.co.uk>
Subject: BHA: body-actual is dependent on body-cosmic
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 00:31:24 -0000


Hi Jamie,

I note that you do not state where you are on the question of the
body-cosmic/body-actual.  Fair enough, I guess you haven't read IN
DEFENCE OF OBJECTIVITY and you're unlikely to have read my chapter in
the book to celebrate Andrew Collier's life because it hasn't been
published yet.  But if you are determined to assert that ethics is about
decision procedures in what you posit as "real situations in real
societies" then you are in the camp of Rorty.  The point is, Jamie, that
ethics is not substantiated at this actualist level, rather questions of
truth and goodness are irreducibly philosophical.  I'm sorry if for you
this means truth is abstract, but the good news for you is that you
don't have to take Roy Bhaskar's, Andrew Collier's, or my word that
truth is concrete, you can if you prefer turn to Hegel, Marx, Engels,
etc.  The question of the relevance of the universality and objectivity
of matter in motion is about the truth that the philosophical reflection
of the subject is material, and is a part of universal objective matter.
That is what makes truth concrete.  "Real social conditions" as you put
it, include - most importantly, and if we are to be dialectically
materialist - the ideas and the content that is in people's minds.  That
is why you have got the question of concrete and abstract back-to-front.
Any help?

Phil 



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