From: "Phil Walden" <phil-AT-pwalden.fsnet.co.uk> Subject: BHA: body-actual is dependent on body-cosmic Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 00:31:24 -0000 Hi Jamie, I note that you do not state where you are on the question of the body-cosmic/body-actual. Fair enough, I guess you haven't read IN DEFENCE OF OBJECTIVITY and you're unlikely to have read my chapter in the book to celebrate Andrew Collier's life because it hasn't been published yet. But if you are determined to assert that ethics is about decision procedures in what you posit as "real situations in real societies" then you are in the camp of Rorty. The point is, Jamie, that ethics is not substantiated at this actualist level, rather questions of truth and goodness are irreducibly philosophical. I'm sorry if for you this means truth is abstract, but the good news for you is that you don't have to take Roy Bhaskar's, Andrew Collier's, or my word that truth is concrete, you can if you prefer turn to Hegel, Marx, Engels, etc. The question of the relevance of the universality and objectivity of matter in motion is about the truth that the philosophical reflection of the subject is material, and is a part of universal objective matter. That is what makes truth concrete. "Real social conditions" as you put it, include - most importantly, and if we are to be dialectically materialist - the ideas and the content that is in people's minds. That is why you have got the question of concrete and abstract back-to-front. Any help? Phil --- StripMime Warning -- MIME attachments removed --- This message may have contained attachments which were removed. Sorry, we do not allow attachments on this list. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- --- from list bhaskar-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu ---
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