File spoon-archives/bhaskar.archive/bhaskar_2003/bhaskar.0312, message 134


Subject: RE: BHA: Structures are not things that are true or false,even if  Hegelian Marxists say so
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 08:31:07 -0500


Hi Mervyn,

Doesn't this bring up the whole discussion about "Eddington's table"?

Dick

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From: Mervyn Hartwig [mailto:mh-AT-jaspere7.demon.co.uk] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 4:50 PM
To: bhaskar-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu
Subject: Re: BHA: Structures are not things that are true or false,even if Hegelian Marxists say so


I thought we were all agreed that appearances, while real, are or can be
-- if not false -- at any rate misleading or deceptive with respect to the true nature of things (as in the case of the sun), otherwise there'd be no need for science.

Mervyn

 Carrol Cox <cbcox-AT-ilstu.edu> writes
>
>
>Mervyn Hartwig wrote:
>>
>> Hi GŁnter (and Tobin et al.),
>>
>> A mirage really does have the appearance of water quite independently 
>> of the cognitive mistake of the particular observer--i.e. in our 
>> world-line would have that appearance, given the laws of optics etc, 
>> to any observer of the relevant kind. Even when you know that it's 
>> 'only a mirage' it persists, so the effect is not reducible to your 
>> mistake.
>
>The sun really does have the appearance of being the size of a dinner 
>plate, even to someone who knows that it is a huge fusion process; it 
>is not reducible to one's "mistake," but that does not mean that it is 
>a "false" appearance. (Playing with the word "true," All appearances 
>are true appearances. It is a tautology but apparently a needed one to 
>affirm that an appearance of x is an appearance of x.)
>
>Carrol
>
>
>
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