Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 20:54:30 +0000 From: "steve.devos" <steve.devos-AT-krokodile.co.uk> Subject: Re: BHA: Voloshinov etc Tobin/all Being a 'realist' (in relation to science) is whilst misguided but probably understandable, but being anti-psychoanalysis as well as anti-(saussurian style) linguistics - quite probably we'd come to serious intellectual blows over such reactionary positions... The statement rather proves the point I was trying to make - to make your materialist linguistic theory dependent on a singular marxist position, even a mode of analysis, is to guarantee that the 'linguistics' will fail. To make it dependent on realism, dialectics is to reproduce the theoretical black hole I was condemnning Volshinov for. Curious that you mention Lacan who does precisely that in his adoption of Jakobson's linguistics, creating the unavoidable error of making his psychoanalysis dependent on a theoretically questionable science and ideologically bound science... yours laughing... steve Tobin Nellhaus wrote: >Ah, gotcha. I think the glitch is in what one means by "marxist." If it >refers only to Marx's analysis of capitalism, then yes, founding a theory of >linguistics on that would be, hm, clunky at the *very* best. If on the >other hand one understands "marxist" as meaning a mode of analysis (e.g. >historical materialism, realism, dialectics, etc) without any necessary >direct connection to economics -- in other words the philosophical >underpinnings -- then I think a marxist philosophy of language is >intelligible. That's the approach that Voloshinov/Bakhtin was taking, I >believe, as the title of his book indicates; and it's what I usually have in >mind by "marxist," given that I don't work on economics or political theory. > >As for Saussure, there are other reasons than CR or marxism for rejecting >him, but it's not an issue I can pursue right now (as I have an article due >in less than a week, eek!). You might check out the poet and essayist Paul >Goodman. FWIW, I have and always have had a visceral antipathy to Saussure, >and also Lacan and Richard Schechner (who you've probably never heard of, >and just as well). But that may be because I have a visceral and quite >possibly erotic relationship with language. Saussure will never understand. > >Cheers, T. > >--- >Tobin Nellhaus >nellhaus-AT-mail.com >"Faith requires us to be materialists without flinching": C.S. Peirce > > > > --- from list bhaskar-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu --- > > > --- from list bhaskar-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu ---
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