Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 21:50:32 +0000 From: Mervyn Hartwig <mh-AT-jaspere7.demon.co.uk> Subject: Re: BHA: Re: Re: capitalist social structures are false, Ruth Hi Dick Put it this way: it was bound to come up--whether truth and falsity are in the world or just in your head or at any rate your theories; an ontological vs epistemic conception of truth. I was surprised from this point of view to see Ruth espousing Alston, whose approach from what I know is ontological. Mervyn "Moodey, Richard W" <MOODEY001-AT-gannon.edu> writes >Hi Mervyn, > >Is this thread about "alethic" truth and falsity? > >Dick > >-----Original Message----- >From: Mervyn Hartwig [mailto:mh-AT-jaspere7.demon.co.uk] >Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 4:27 AM >To: bhaskar-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu >Subject: Re: BHA: Re: Re: capitalist social structures are false, Ruth > > >If Marx is being invoked, he surely ungainsayably held that the wage >form is false and that the wage form is not the same as (not exhausted >by) beliefs about it. I.e. the source of beliefs, not just beliefs, is >false. > >In more fundamental support of Phil's position, cf the Marxist Chris >Arthur, _The New Dialectics and Marx's *Capital*_, p. 165: > >~~~~~~~ >His [Hegel's] concern is with truth (the usual philosophical topic) and >since truth is the whole, only the whole truth retrospectively explains >the transition [from Being to Becoming]. But if we deconstruct Hegel's >dialectic, a certain 'prejudice-for-truth' is revealed. Occluded is >another possibility: a world of falsity, where everything is inverted. >This would be a 'downward' spiral, the concretisation of nothingness, >the apotheosis of the false, insofar as 'Being' is denied, and demoted >to the other of 'Nothing'. No doubt such a hellish dialectic, in which, >contrary to the vision of 'the whole as the true', the whole is the >false, could not occur to Hegel. But it is precisely the case in >capitalism, we argue. Living as we do in the belly of the 'rough beast' >born in Manchester, this possibility must be taken seriously. ~~~~~~~ > >Cf Bhaskar's concept of the 'demi-real'. > >Mervyn > --- from list bhaskar-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu ---
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