Date: Mon, 14 Sep 1998 16:10:58 +1000
From: Margot Ford <mford-AT-darwin.ntu.edu.au>
Subject: Re: sociology


I don't think the discussion is an either /or for philosophy or sociology,
but the ultimate purpose for me is social change and not enough sociologists
or philosophers connect with this as an ultimate aim.  Bourdieu as an
example was one of those reproductionists who I believe contributed to the
demise of the sociology of education because he emphasised the reproductive
nature of the education system. Where do we go from there??

Post-modernism, because of inaccessible and elitist language had potential
that has not translated into action which I grant was not its purpose.

There is important stuff out there, but we need good plain English
translations of academic texts so the very people being talked about can
access and engage in the debate.

Margot Ford

Alejandro Gonzalez wrote:

> Hello...
>
> >Did the original person who said that philosophical discussion was a
> waste
> >of time and irrelavent to sociology ever reply to the replies?
>
> Well... Im not the one who begun the discussion about it, but I agree
> with that... Understand me first... I dont think philosophical
> discussion is a waste of time, but I do think that sociology has to
> worry about some things more REAL, than only philosophical discussion.
> Is important to know where does a theorical position comes from, or what
> implications can have certain philosophical question in sociology,
> but... well, we are sociologist... not philosophers... WE HAVE to study
> society... and, yes, you can tell me "well... if you want to study the
> society you have to got a strong theoric position" Well, I agree, but
> come on, we have to "go down" and get in to the sociological thing...
> You can discuss about the philosophical implications of HABITUS, AND
> FIELD, AND CAPITAL... but we have to look for them in the REALITY!!!
>
> I think sociology can have a main role in the actual situation of my
> country... and of the world... we can study the problems, analize the
> problems, and give some kind of solutions to them (maybe it sounds a
> little utopic, but... we have to dream no? ;>)
>
> And philosophical discussions can HELP... but I think that sociology is
> something you have to DO better than something to THINK...
>
> Well... sorry about my english... Hope you understand what Im triyng to
> say...
>
> BYE
>
> Alejandro Gonzalez
>
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