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Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 14:51:16 +0000
From: Roger Cook <R.J.R.Cook-AT-reading.ac.uk>
Subject: RE: Bourdieu, Deleuze & Guattari


Tony,
The relations and tensions between these French intellectuals is highly
complex, and as far as I know has been best described by Niilo Kauppi in
*French Intellectual Nobility: Institutional and Symbolic Transformation in
the Post-Satrian Era* and in his book on Tel Quel *The Making of an
Avant-Garde:Tel Quel*. These centred on the tensions/relations between the
scientific field, the literary field and the philosophical field and their
relations to the media.
Was Baudrillard really Bourdieu's MA student? I have heard people contest
this. Bourdieu, of course, is very critical of Baudrillard.
Regards,
Roger

>Roger,
>A loose connection may be through Georges Bataille.  Deleuze (to me) seems
>to draw on Bataille's (anti)Hegelian (anti-humanist) theories of human
>Desire as a non-cathexis leaving us open to being possessed by desire but
>not able to possess it.  Desire however allows us to (momentarily)
> transcend the limit experience to become sovereign.  Desire here seems to
>be some energy that we can never possess, never complete, never consume
>totally.  It drives us on to want more...
>
>This connects to Boudieu via the general rather than the restricted economy
>(the later is Bataille's term for the econoic hegemony that dominates
>soceity).  The restricted economy is the world of the profane and rational
>utility.  Desire exists as part of the wider general economy.  (There seems
>to be an overlap here with Deleuze's idea that smooth space exists between
>regions of striated space...)  (Baudrillard draws on Bataille heavily in his
>earlier works on the economy of the sign, etc., particularly The Consumer
>Soceity, and, Symbolic Exchange and Death.  Bourdieu was, I believe
>Baudrillard's MA supervisor .)
>
>The connection (for me) is that (I read) Bourdieu as suggesting that we
>follow multiple, not necessarily conscious/rational, strategies (habitus) in
>muliple complex space (field) as a desire to achieve self-legitimation and
>therefore become sovereign.  (Sovereignty requires that we are recognised as
>self-legitimate - hence our need to attain and maintain capital in fields
>appropriate to sovereignty...)
>
>Sorry that this is garbled, its a condensation of several draft chapters of
>my thesis.  Hope it makes sense/challenges/whatever.
>
>Regards,
>Tony
>
>
>
>
>
>I then tend
> ----------
>From: bourdieu
>To: bourdieu
>Subject: Bourdieu, Deleuze & Guattari
>Date: Wednesday, March 17, 1999 11:49AM
>
>In an interview in Liberation in 1980 with Gilles Deleuze (reprinted in
>Negotiations) Deleuze mentions Bourdieu in relation to the problem of
>reaction and journalism:
>"Someone, at any rate, should do a sociolgical analysis of what's happening
>in the field of journalism, and its political implications. Maybe someone
>like Bourdieu could do it..."
>
>        Do anyone know anything about Deleuze and/or Guattari's relation to
>Bourdieu, or Bourdieu's relation to them and their ideas? One could imagine
>that Bourdieu would be critical of their embrace of the literary
>transgressive, on the other hand Bourdieu would surely have some
>commonality with their struggle against domination. Guattari did alot for
>the 'liberation of desire' in relation to homosexuality in France.
>Roger Cook
>The University of Reading
>
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