Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 14:51:16 +0000 From: Roger Cook <R.J.R.Cook-AT-reading.ac.uk> Subject: RE: Bourdieu, Deleuze & Guattari Tony, The relations and tensions between these French intellectuals is highly complex, and as far as I know has been best described by Niilo Kauppi in *French Intellectual Nobility: Institutional and Symbolic Transformation in the Post-Satrian Era* and in his book on Tel Quel *The Making of an Avant-Garde:Tel Quel*. These centred on the tensions/relations between the scientific field, the literary field and the philosophical field and their relations to the media. Was Baudrillard really Bourdieu's MA student? I have heard people contest this. Bourdieu, of course, is very critical of Baudrillard. Regards, Roger >Roger, >A loose connection may be through Georges Bataille. Deleuze (to me) seems >to draw on Bataille's (anti)Hegelian (anti-humanist) theories of human >Desire as a non-cathexis leaving us open to being possessed by desire but >not able to possess it. Desire however allows us to (momentarily) > transcend the limit experience to become sovereign. Desire here seems to >be some energy that we can never possess, never complete, never consume >totally. It drives us on to want more... > >This connects to Boudieu via the general rather than the restricted economy >(the later is Bataille's term for the econoic hegemony that dominates >soceity). The restricted economy is the world of the profane and rational >utility. Desire exists as part of the wider general economy. (There seems >to be an overlap here with Deleuze's idea that smooth space exists between >regions of striated space...) (Baudrillard draws on Bataille heavily in his >earlier works on the economy of the sign, etc., particularly The Consumer >Soceity, and, Symbolic Exchange and Death. Bourdieu was, I believe >Baudrillard's MA supervisor .) > >The connection (for me) is that (I read) Bourdieu as suggesting that we >follow multiple, not necessarily conscious/rational, strategies (habitus) in >muliple complex space (field) as a desire to achieve self-legitimation and >therefore become sovereign. (Sovereignty requires that we are recognised as >self-legitimate - hence our need to attain and maintain capital in fields >appropriate to sovereignty...) > >Sorry that this is garbled, its a condensation of several draft chapters of >my thesis. Hope it makes sense/challenges/whatever. > >Regards, >Tony > > > > > >I then tend > ---------- >From: bourdieu >To: bourdieu >Subject: Bourdieu, Deleuze & Guattari >Date: Wednesday, March 17, 1999 11:49AM > >In an interview in Liberation in 1980 with Gilles Deleuze (reprinted in >Negotiations) Deleuze mentions Bourdieu in relation to the problem of >reaction and journalism: >"Someone, at any rate, should do a sociolgical analysis of what's happening >in the field of journalism, and its political implications. Maybe someone >like Bourdieu could do it..." > > Do anyone know anything about Deleuze and/or Guattari's relation to >Bourdieu, or Bourdieu's relation to them and their ideas? One could imagine >that Bourdieu would be critical of their embrace of the literary >transgressive, on the other hand Bourdieu would surely have some >commonality with their struggle against domination. Guattari did alot for >the 'liberation of desire' in relation to homosexuality in France. >Roger Cook >The University of Reading > > >********************************************************************** >Contributions: bourdieu-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu >Commands: majordomo-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu >Requests: bourdieu-approval-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu > > ------ Message Header Follows ------ >Received: from orac.sunderland.ac.uk by missgate.sunderland.ac.uk > (PostalUnion/SMTP(tm) v2.1.9h for Windows NT(tm)) > id AA-1999Mar17.114240.1814.1918025; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 11:42:40 GMT >Received: from (lists.village.virginia.edu) [128.143.200.198] > by orac.sunderland.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 1.82 #1) > id 10NEgH-0005nH-00; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 11:40:13 +0000 >Received: (from domo-AT-localhost) by lists.village.virginia.edu (8.8.5/8.6.6) >id >EAA68551 for bourdieu-outgoing; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 04:46:28 -0500 >X-Authentication-Warning: lists.village.virginia.edu: domo set sender to >owner-bourdieu-AT-localhost using -f >Received: from central.ulcc.ac.uk (exim-AT-central.ulcc.ac.uk [193.63.88.11]) >by >lists.village.virginia.edu (8.8.5/8.6.6) with ESMTP id EAA74946 for ><bourdieu-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu>; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 04:46:19 -0500 >Received: from a186.ds.ulcc.ac.uk ([128.86.251.186]) > by central.ulcc.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 2.05 #1) > id 10NCts-0004j5-00 > for bourdieu-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu; Wed, 17 Mar 1999 09:46:10 +0000 >X-Sender: lvsckrjr-AT-pophost.reading.ac.uk (Unverified) >Message-Id: <v01510100b31528619652-AT-[128.86.251.164]> >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1999 09:54:23 +0000 >To: bourdieu-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu >From: R.J.R.Cook-AT-reading.ac.uk (Roger Cook) >Subject: Bourdieu, Deleuze & Guattari >Sender: owner-bourdieu-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu >Precedence: bulk >Reply-To: bourdieu-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu > > >********************************************************************** >Contributions: bourdieu-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu >Commands: majordomo-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu >Requests: bourdieu-approval-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu ********************************************************************** Contributions: bourdieu-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu Commands: majordomo-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu Requests: bourdieu-approval-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu
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