Date: Fri, 21 May 1999 17:57:39 +0100 (BST) From: Karl Maton <kam13-AT-hermes.cam.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Language > torturing the reader? Post-structuralism says nothing?Not that one has > to be a disciple of Bourdieu to be in this newsgroup, but that is a > rather broad and anti-bourieuian statement...or at least an ignorance of > his writings Responding to each point: - I said that *some* post-structuralist (which I picked on as an example, along with post-modernist) *writing* seems to be an example of saying nothing in a complex way. This does not suggest that post-structuralism (or post-modernism) says nothing. In context, it was a reply to what seemed to me to be encouragements to unnecessary complexity of language. As I said, I agree with many of the points raised, but such exhortations may, if not checked, lead us down the path towards the sort of writing ridiculed by people like Sokal. It is part of the logic of the intellectual field that when one says something even slightly critical in tone against any position, however much that position is at one extreme, that one is positioned by its holders as being at the other extreme. Intellectual debate thrives on false dichotomies. Clear language OR complex jargon. In posting the email I was in no way, as my stating that I agreed with many of the points made should have made clear, arguing the opposite position. - Re it being rather broad. Taking into account the above (re it referring to *some* and *writing* rather than 'post-structuralism as a whole'), it isn't that broad - Re it being anti-Bourdieu. Not in the slightest, Kent. There was I thinking that Bourdieu was one of the few sociologists who, even when he writes on more 'theoretical' issues, is actually saying something of great interest and import which (mostly) would be difficult to say in anything other than a complex fashion. Perhaps I was wrong. He also, it seems to me, is rather careful in defining his terms and doesn't just pick up the latest tropes like a fashion accessory. If, however, you or anyone else sees Bourdieu in this way, then I guess it could be seen as anti-Bourdieuan. I'm not convinced that Bourdieu could be assimilated to the position I suggested was not the most fruitful, and so cannot see how what I said was anti-bourdieuan. He is certainly in no way an exemplar of the sort of literary-cultural metaphorical discourse I was referring to. As for it being 'an ignorance of his writings' ... hmmmm. Perhaps someone else could comment on the strategic value of such a suggestion. With best wishes, Karl -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Karl Maton School of Education, University of Cambridge 17 Trumpington Street, Cambridge, England CB2 1QA Tel. + 44 (0) 1223 336288 Fax: + 44 (0) 1223 332894 Email: kam13-AT-cam.ac.uk -------------------------------------------------------------------------- 'Sick down to my heart ... but that's just the way it goes' ********************************************************************** Contributions: bourdieu-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu Commands: majordomo-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu Requests: bourdieu-approval-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu
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