From: "kent strock" <sigmund5-AT-hotmail.com> Subject: Re: habitus Date: Tue, 07 Dec 1999 12:04:34 PST Very well put Emrah! I think that B. "post"-structuralism could be better understood in RELATION to Derrida and his work and the functioning of language and why Boudieu,I am often wondering, never acknowledges him. Suppose its just a strategy of distinction. >From: Emrah Goker <emrah_goker-AT-hotmail.com> >Reply-To: bourdieu-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu >To: bourdieu-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu >Subject: Re: habitus >Date: Tue, 07 Dec 1999 21:32:30 EET > >To the ongoing discussion about the "is" of habitus, I think it would be >useful to remind that the concepts and categories of generative >structuralism would always avoid being "pinned down" by exact definitions, >clear statements, "yeah-that-is-what-I-looked-for" kind of "to the point" >propositions. They are, if you let me to bring in some journalism, >manufactured for use in the Atelier, not to be placed on the altar of the >Temple and worshipped there. > >That is how Bourdieu justifies his claim to transcend objectivism and >subjectivism: Theory's toolbox is always research-oriented, not for >logocentric philosophical fetishism. In the case of habitus, Bourdieu of >course has to pronounce some sentences about habitus like "structured and >structuring structure" and the vagueness here is intended. Habitus is >meaningless until it accounts for something in reality. It depends on your >research interests how you will render the concept meaningful. You can >choose to study the practices of brokers in New York Stock Exchange using >habitus, where you'll also have to include a degree of "ratioal >calculation" >(and yet on second thought, isn't another "religion" at work there?). It is >also possible to study revolutionary action using habitus. The catch here >is, I guess, properly pinpointing the relations between "positions" and >"dispositions". We have to abandon thinking about people in terms of >"either >body or mind", or even in terms of "body and mind". > >Remember the Nephew: Mauss was trying to tell something, struggling to get >rid of the symbolic violence of Durkheim's unproductive dichotomies, by his >proposal of Total Man. > >This is not a direct and satisfactory answer to the questions raised, I >know. Just a crucial point to hold in mind while thinking about habitus. > >Best regards, > >Emrah Goker > >>From: Karl Maton <karl.maton-AT-dtn.ntl.com> >>Reply-To: bourdieu-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu >>To: bourdieu-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu >>Subject: Re: habitus >>Date: Tue, 07 Dec 1999 15:44:58 +0100 >> >>This is a good question which, IMHO, highlights the one issue I really >>feels needs development in the concept of 'habitus', namely the question >>of what the structure of a habitus is. It is one thing to say that my >>habitus is a structured and structuring structure, but as it stands, the >>concept doesn't enable us to express what that structure is, as a >>system. One has to point to the empirical realisations of the habitus, >>i.e. one's practices. Given this, the notion of habitus may fragment, >>so that one ends up talking of someone's 'pedagogic habitus', their >>'female habitus', their 'going to the bathroom habitus'. >> >>Or, to put it another way, how can we say when one habitus is different >>to, the same as, or a variation of another habitus? There isn't a means >>of saying that Karl's habitus is X, and Deborah's habitus is Y; or that >>we have the same structure of habitus. >> >>This isn't saying that the concept isn;t very important; simply that it >>needs developing. (And PB does at least say that the theory should >>develop). >>All the best, >> >>Karl >> >> >>Deborah Kilgore wrote: >> > >> > I have another question regarding habitus, that has been on my mind >>over >> > the last few weeks. Let's say one believes in the postmodern notion of >> > multiple subjectivity. An excellent example is found in "Under the >>Sign >>of >> > Hope" by Leslie Bloom, in which a female corporate executive is facing >>a >> > situation where a male executive is accused of sexual harrassment. She >> > describes her response & practices as a woman, and also her response & >> > practices as an executive, among other positions from which she faces >>the >> > situation - all of which collide to an extent and result in a creative >>set >> > of behaviors. How would habitus be discussed/conceptualized then? >> > >> > Sorry for piggybacking... >> > >> > Debbie >> > >> > At 12:30 PM 12/7/99 +0100, you wrote: >> > > >> > > >> > >Kent Lofgren schrieb: >> > >> >> > >> Hi, I have a question about habitus. The question is based on some >> > >> interesting discussion I had w. my friend and colleague Mattias >>Johnsson. >> > >> the question builds on some premisses. They are: Bourdieu argues >>that >> > >> habitus deals with sort of the everyday situations and is sort of an >> > >> automatic reaction to things that happen around the individual. >>O.k.? >>(This >> > >> is in a very simple and straight forward language). Also (second >>premiss): >> > >> the rational calculating/thinking (by an individual) is thereby >>something >> > >> else (than habitus). >> > > >> > >I think there is a problem with the premisses. Habitus is not only >>'for >> > >every days situations'. It is something you can't change fast. It is >> > >incorporated. So I think Habitus goes before rational >> > >calculating/thinking. You can just do this in the frame of your >>habitus. >> > > >> > >Bye >> > >Susanne >> > >********************************************************************** >> > >Contributions: bourdieu-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu >> > >Commands: majordomo-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu >> > >Requests: bourdieu-approval-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu >> > > >> > > >> > Deborah Kilgore >> > Assistant Professor >> > Educational Leadership & Policy Studies >> > Iowa State University >> > N 232 Lagomarcino Hall >> > Ames, IA 50011-3195 >> > office) 515-294-9121 email) dkilgore-AT-iastate.edu >> > ********************************************************************** >> > Contributions: bourdieu-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu >> > Commands: majordomo-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu >> > Requests: bourdieu-approval-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu >> >>-- >>With best wishes, >> >>Karl >> >>Karl Maton >>School of Education, University of Cambridge >> >>Correspondence address: >>108 Avenue Road Extension, Leicester LE2 3EH >>Tel: 0116 220 1066 >>Email: karl.maton-AT-dtn.ntl.com >> >>I am certain of nothing but the holiness of the hearts affections and >>the truth of the imagination >>Keats >>********************************************************************** >>Contributions: bourdieu-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu >>Commands: majordomo-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu >>Requests: bourdieu-approval-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com >********************************************************************** >Contributions: bourdieu-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu >Commands: majordomo-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu >Requests: bourdieu-approval-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ********************************************************************** Contributions: bourdieu-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu Commands: majordomo-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu Requests: bourdieu-approval-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu
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