From: "kent strock" <sigmund5-AT-hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Fwd: Pass on message? Simon's good bye
Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 05:43:51 GMT


Debbie,

yes I might be prone to short answers to certain posts, but if you reach a 
certain point of understanding  you can't spend pages  laying out the 
position you contintently come to.  This is the seduction of B. if you want 
to have petty discussion etc, OK. However your entire response was entirly 
without thought within context.  You might have some ideas about B. work, 
which I am tired of the specifics, but you have many opportunities to 
answers...aka the last response, but you prefer a fascist response.

why didn't you answer questions raised? rather you hid behind some position 
that you don't have to answer or why our butts"should be hit on the way out" 
  why do you want us out..hate to be a psychoanylist, but your igrnorant 
answer raises the questions.
>From: Deborah Kilgore <dkilgore-AT-iastate.edu>
>Reply-To: bourdieu-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu
>To: bourdieu-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu
>Subject: Re: Fwd: Pass on message? Simon's good bye
>Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2000 12:34:35 -0500
>
>I'm going to go back to my snarky US roots and cry, "don't let the door hit
>ya on the way out!"
>
>Just kidding, sort of.  But really, Simon & Kent the messenger, the tragic
>diva act just doesn't become you or possibly anyone.  Dare I say it reminds
>me of a few sociology profs I've known?
>
>Debbie
>
>
>
>At 04:38 AM 09/08/2000 GMT, you wrote:
> >
> >I am passing on a message that I unfortunately recieved from Simon who 
>has
> >unsubscribed to the group. Hopefully he returns, but I think the tone and
> >form of the letter he recieved was too personal and typical for him to
> >pragmatically be a part of this group. I know, despite my differences 
>with
> >him, miss his thought comments.  His emmigration from the group reminds 
>me
> >of the Nietzsche quote about thinking and the form of writing he 
>prefered:
> >the aphorism; paraphrasing here he said thinking should be like diving
> >quickly and deeply into cold deep water. I think this resonates with B.
> >statesments(particularly in logic of practice) about objectifying one's
> >position, and practicing sel-reflexiveness and granting becoming its due 
>in
> >maintaining the text's traces of production...aka process.  simon and I 
>had
> >our differences, but they were never situatated around setting a 
>definition
> >or arguing about definitions and erasing traces of the production of
> >thought.  I think it was this exasperation that drove Simon away,
> >particularly in the dismissive tone of the letter he recieved which he
> >thinks, weather correctly or not, was meant for the newsgroup. Put 
>another
> >way...I would suggest he was fed up with the tone and comments which
> >dismissed the neccesity of the contingency and recursiveness of thought 
>and
> >research exhibited in the letter which never address any of the issues 
>this
> >person found "distasteful" or boring.
> >
> >>From: "Simon Beesley" <simonb-AT-beesleys.freeserve.co.uk>
> >>To: <sigmund5-AT-hotmail.com>
> >>Subject: Pass on message?
> >>Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 19:32:11 +0100
> >>
> >>Kent,
> >>
> >>I wonder if you could pass on the following message to the Bourdieu 
>list. I
> >>sent
> >>it to Karen Knutson in reply to her offensive message having thought it 
>had
> >>been
> >>sent to the list (when it was actually sent to my private e-mail address 
>as
> >>was
> >>my reply to her address) -- and then Unsubscribed from the list. You may
> >>think
> >>my wish to have
> >>my reply to her published on the list is a little petty, but it royally
> >>pisses
> >>me off to have someone make dismissive remarks without showing their own
> >>mettle
> >>or bothering to take on one's considerations and arguments directly. 
>Also,
> >>I am
> >>piqued that Karen has outwitted me, infuriating me enough to make me
> >>unsubscribe
> >>after I had dispatched to her alone what I hoped was a crushing public
> >>reply.
> >>
> >>Here's the reply:
> >>
> >>Karen,
> >>
> >>You wrote:
> >>
> >> > simon,
> >> > yes it does matter actually. maybe not so much in the pennies
> >> > department, but surely in the aggravation department. it's
> >> > frustrating to check the morning email and find five or six kent
> >> > strock's or simon beesley's in the inbox--with inconsequential
> >> > musings within. please do us a favor and cut down on the back and
> >> > forths. or take it off the list. and leave the list for more
> >> > substantial issues and responses.
> >> > thanks,
> >> > karen
> >> >
> >>
> >>That's a different matter all together -- and what one suspected was the
> >>real
> >>source of dissatisfaction all along: not the quantity but the quality or
> >>the
> >>content and point of view. If the musings are inconsequential, you can
> >>always do
> >>us the favour of demonstrating their inconsequentiality; if you think 
>them
> >>insubstantial, it's up to you to demonstrate greater substance. May 
>others
> >>look
> >>forward to reading your solid contributions in future, as I phase myself
> >>out of
> >>a list that paradoxically seems to be given over more and more to the 
>kind
> >>of
> >>arid scholasticism Bourdieu castigates so very effectively. The smugness
> >>and
> >>pomposity of your "leave the list for more substantial issues and
> >>responses" all
> >>of a sudden leaves me with a strong distaste for the list. Leave it I 
>will.
> >>
> >>Regards
> >>Simon
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
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