From: "kent strock" <sigmund5-AT-hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Fwd: Pass on message? Simon's good bye
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 02:30:52 GMT


Why is everyone focused on simon's response and not assessing that of the 
respondent. Which had something to spur thought? damn ok I need to write 
another sentence....uhhhh steelhead salmon fishing is coming this weekend


>From: Deborah Kilgore <dkilgore-AT-iastate.edu>
>Reply-To: bourdieu-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu
>To: bourdieu-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu
>Subject: Re: Fwd: Pass on message? Simon's good bye
>Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2000 12:34:35 -0500
>
>I'm going to go back to my snarky US roots and cry, "don't let the door hit
>ya on the way out!"
>
>Just kidding, sort of.  But really, Simon & Kent the messenger, the tragic
>diva act just doesn't become you or possibly anyone.  Dare I say it reminds
>me of a few sociology profs I've known?
>
>Debbie
>
>
>
>At 04:38 AM 09/08/2000 GMT, you wrote:
> >
> >I am passing on a message that I unfortunately recieved from Simon who 
>has
> >unsubscribed to the group. Hopefully he returns, but I think the tone and
> >form of the letter he recieved was too personal and typical for him to
> >pragmatically be a part of this group. I know, despite my differences 
>with
> >him, miss his thought comments.  His emmigration from the group reminds 
>me
> >of the Nietzsche quote about thinking and the form of writing he 
>prefered:
> >the aphorism; paraphrasing here he said thinking should be like diving
> >quickly and deeply into cold deep water. I think this resonates with B.
> >statesments(particularly in logic of practice) about objectifying one's
> >position, and practicing sel-reflexiveness and granting becoming its due 
>in
> >maintaining the text's traces of production...aka process.  simon and I 
>had
> >our differences, but they were never situatated around setting a 
>definition
> >or arguing about definitions and erasing traces of the production of
> >thought.  I think it was this exasperation that drove Simon away,
> >particularly in the dismissive tone of the letter he recieved which he
> >thinks, weather correctly or not, was meant for the newsgroup. Put 
>another
> >way...I would suggest he was fed up with the tone and comments which
> >dismissed the neccesity of the contingency and recursiveness of thought 
>and
> >research exhibited in the letter which never address any of the issues 
>this
> >person found "distasteful" or boring.
> >
> >>From: "Simon Beesley" <simonb-AT-beesleys.freeserve.co.uk>
> >>To: <sigmund5-AT-hotmail.com>
> >>Subject: Pass on message?
> >>Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 19:32:11 +0100
> >>
> >>Kent,
> >>
> >>I wonder if you could pass on the following message to the Bourdieu 
>list. I
> >>sent
> >>it to Karen Knutson in reply to her offensive message having thought it 
>had
> >>been
> >>sent to the list (when it was actually sent to my private e-mail address 
>as
> >>was
> >>my reply to her address) -- and then Unsubscribed from the list. You may
> >>think
> >>my wish to have
> >>my reply to her published on the list is a little petty, but it royally
> >>pisses
> >>me off to have someone make dismissive remarks without showing their own
> >>mettle
> >>or bothering to take on one's considerations and arguments directly. 
>Also,
> >>I am
> >>piqued that Karen has outwitted me, infuriating me enough to make me
> >>unsubscribe
> >>after I had dispatched to her alone what I hoped was a crushing public
> >>reply.
> >>
> >>Here's the reply:
> >>
> >>Karen,
> >>
> >>You wrote:
> >>
> >> > simon,
> >> > yes it does matter actually. maybe not so much in the pennies
> >> > department, but surely in the aggravation department. it's
> >> > frustrating to check the morning email and find five or six kent
> >> > strock's or simon beesley's in the inbox--with inconsequential
> >> > musings within. please do us a favor and cut down on the back and
> >> > forths. or take it off the list. and leave the list for more
> >> > substantial issues and responses.
> >> > thanks,
> >> > karen
> >> >
> >>
> >>That's a different matter all together -- and what one suspected was the
> >>real
> >>source of dissatisfaction all along: not the quantity but the quality or
> >>the
> >>content and point of view. If the musings are inconsequential, you can
> >>always do
> >>us the favour of demonstrating their inconsequentiality; if you think 
>them
> >>insubstantial, it's up to you to demonstrate greater substance. May 
>others
> >>look
> >>forward to reading your solid contributions in future, as I phase myself
> >>out of
> >>a list that paradoxically seems to be given over more and more to the 
>kind
> >>of
> >>arid scholasticism Bourdieu castigates so very effectively. The smugness
> >>and
> >>pomposity of your "leave the list for more substantial issues and
> >>responses" all
> >>of a sudden leaves me with a strong distaste for the list. Leave it I 
>will.
> >>
> >>Regards
> >>Simon
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
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