From: nuala.quinn-AT-dtn.ntl.com
Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 22:01:55 +0100
Subject: Re: Crushing public replies!


Karl, 

i have followed the debate re Simon's departure. I dont see the
difficulty in why Simon shouldn't make his point clear re his departure.
Why should someone go to another group in order to understand what
someone is saying? Habermas' transparency is not all of a negative. Is
this the Times crossword or something? It does all seems a bit dramatic
to me. In fact, rather than stretching his departure to intellectual
hieghts, lets just understand it for what it was. It all seems a bit
childish. I don't want to be delibarately conflicting, that's just how i
see it. I think it should be noted that email is not the most obvious
way for communicating 'irony'. As for capabalities, who knows?
pat    

kent strock wrote:
> 
> Kingsley,
> 
> Just a short reply if I can help it. Perhaps Simon departed with a bit of a
> dramatic splash, but the inability of this newsgroup to entertain the subtly
> of the fuzzy logic and language and realize the satire in his farewell is
> extremely disconcerting.  If you are looking for some perfect language
> situation that excludes the play of language...which the responses missed,
> then go to the Habermas group.  The scholastism of the continual definition
> of habitus and the supplications for references to be the good bibliophile
> without understanding the basics of Bourdieu's reflexivity has been a
> continual problem.  If you want to be the good academic who sites all the
> right sources to fulfill some false requirement, then he or I have every
> right to call people on the basics of bourdieu's thought and how it can be
> extended, NOT just cited!
> Some may be tired of my tirade against this biblophilia, but there are
> basics concerning reflexivity and his relation to other  thinkers that is
> much more important than habitus and heads of pins.  For you who couldn't
> sense some sense or irony or satire in simon's goodbye, you have missed so
> much of Bourdieu and the question of language in your attempts to
> operationalize or totally philophize him. Simon's adieu was much more
> complicated than anyone is probably capable off...at least as far as I have
> seen. damn I hope that the fragmented traces can be put together to extend
> beyond short blasts
> 
> >From: Kingsley Garbett <kgarbett-AT-picknowl.com.au>
> >Reply-To: bourdieu-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu
> >To: "bourdieu-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu"
> ><bourdieu-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu>
> >Subject: Crushing public replies!
> >Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 16:05:55 +0930
> >
> >My sympathies are with Debbie and Karen entirely,
> >
> >What do you make of this comment, Kent?
> >
> >I am piqued that Karen has outwitted me, infuriating me enough to make
> >me
> >unsubscribe after I had dispatched to her alone what I hoped was a
> >crushing public
> >reply
> >
> >Is that what the list is all about, crushing public replies?
> >
> >Pull the other one!
> >
> >Kingsley Garbett.
> >
> 
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