File spoon-archives/bourdieu.archive/bourdieu_2000/bourdieu.0009, message 46


Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 14:25:01 +0100
Subject: Re: Crushing public replies!


Wrong person - you want Kent perhaps, not Karl

nuala.quinn-AT-dtn.ntl.com wrote:

> Karl,
>
> i have followed the debate re Simon's departure. I dont see the
> difficulty in why Simon shouldn't make his point clear re his departure.
> Why should someone go to another group in order to understand what
> someone is saying? Habermas' transparency is not all of a negative. Is
> this the Times crossword or something? It does all seems a bit dramatic
> to me. In fact, rather than stretching his departure to intellectual
> hieghts, lets just understand it for what it was. It all seems a bit
> childish. I don't want to be delibarately conflicting, that's just how i
> see it. I think it should be noted that email is not the most obvious
> way for communicating 'irony'. As for capabalities, who knows?
> pat
>
> kent strock wrote:
> >
> > Kingsley,
> >
> > Just a short reply if I can help it. Perhaps Simon departed with a bit of a
> > dramatic splash, but the inability of this newsgroup to entertain the subtly
> > of the fuzzy logic and language and realize the satire in his farewell is
> > extremely disconcerting.  If you are looking for some perfect language
> > situation that excludes the play of language...which the responses missed,
> > then go to the Habermas group.  The scholastism of the continual definition
> > of habitus and the supplications for references to be the good bibliophile
> > without understanding the basics of Bourdieu's reflexivity has been a
> > continual problem.  If you want to be the good academic who sites all the
> > right sources to fulfill some false requirement, then he or I have every
> > right to call people on the basics of bourdieu's thought and how it can be
> > extended, NOT just cited!
> > Some may be tired of my tirade against this biblophilia, but there are
> > basics concerning reflexivity and his relation to other  thinkers that is
> > much more important than habitus and heads of pins.  For you who couldn't
> > sense some sense or irony or satire in simon's goodbye, you have missed so
> > much of Bourdieu and the question of language in your attempts to
> > operationalize or totally philophize him. Simon's adieu was much more
> > complicated than anyone is probably capable off...at least as far as I have
> > seen. damn I hope that the fragmented traces can be put together to extend
> > beyond short blasts
> >
> > >From: Kingsley Garbett <kgarbett-AT-picknowl.com.au>
> > >Reply-To: bourdieu-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu
> > >To: "bourdieu-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu"
> > ><bourdieu-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu>
> > >Subject: Crushing public replies!
> > >Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 16:05:55 +0930
> > >
> > >My sympathies are with Debbie and Karen entirely,
> > >
> > >What do you make of this comment, Kent?
> > >
> > >I am piqued that Karen has outwitted me, infuriating me enough to make
> > >me
> > >unsubscribe after I had dispatched to her alone what I hoped was a
> > >crushing public
> > >reply
> > >
> > >Is that what the list is all about, crushing public replies?
> > >
> > >Pull the other one!
> > >
> > >Kingsley Garbett.
> > >
> >
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With best wishes,

Karl

Karl Maton
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