From: "kent strock" <sigmund5-AT-hotmail.com>
Subject: Fwd: Pass on message? Simon's good bye
Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 04:38:11 GMT



I am passing on a message that I unfortunately recieved from Simon who has 
unsubscribed to the group. Hopefully he returns, but I think the tone and 
form of the letter he recieved was too personal and typical for him to 
pragmatically be a part of this group. I know, despite my differences with 
him, miss his thought comments.  His emmigration from the group reminds me 
of the Nietzsche quote about thinking and the form of writing he prefered: 
the aphorism; paraphrasing here he said thinking should be like diving 
quickly and deeply into cold deep water. I think this resonates with B. 
statesments(particularly in logic of practice) about objectifying one's 
position, and practicing sel-reflexiveness and granting becoming its due in 
maintaining the text's traces of production...aka process.  simon and I had 
our differences, but they were never situatated around setting a definition 
or arguing about definitions and erasing traces of the production of 
thought.  I think it was this exasperation that drove Simon away, 
particularly in the dismissive tone of the letter he recieved which he 
thinks, weather correctly or not, was meant for the newsgroup. Put another 
way...I would suggest he was fed up with the tone and comments which 
dismissed the neccesity of the contingency and recursiveness of thought and 
research exhibited in the letter which never address any of the issues this 
person found "distasteful" or boring.

>From: "Simon Beesley" <simonb-AT-beesleys.freeserve.co.uk>
>To: <sigmund5-AT-hotmail.com>
>Subject: Pass on message?
>Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 19:32:11 +0100
>
>Kent,
>
>I wonder if you could pass on the following message to the Bourdieu list. I 
>sent
>it to Karen Knutson in reply to her offensive message having thought it had 
>been
>sent to the list (when it was actually sent to my private e-mail address as 
>was
>my reply to her address) -- and then Unsubscribed from the list. You may 
>think
>my wish to have
>my reply to her published on the list is a little petty, but it royally 
>pisses
>me off to have someone make dismissive remarks without showing their own 
>mettle
>or bothering to take on one's considerations and arguments directly. Also, 
>I am
>piqued that Karen has outwitted me, infuriating me enough to make me 
>unsubscribe
>after I had dispatched to her alone what I hoped was a crushing public 
>reply.
>
>Here's the reply:
>
>Karen,
>
>You wrote:
>
> > simon,
> > yes it does matter actually. maybe not so much in the pennies
> > department, but surely in the aggravation department. it's
> > frustrating to check the morning email and find five or six kent
> > strock's or simon beesley's in the inbox--with inconsequential
> > musings within. please do us a favor and cut down on the back and
> > forths. or take it off the list. and leave the list for more
> > substantial issues and responses.
> > thanks,
> > karen
> >
>
>That's a different matter all together -- and what one suspected was the 
>real
>source of dissatisfaction all along: not the quantity but the quality or 
>the
>content and point of view. If the musings are inconsequential, you can 
>always do
>us the favour of demonstrating their inconsequentiality; if you think them
>insubstantial, it's up to you to demonstrate greater substance. May others 
>look
>forward to reading your solid contributions in future, as I phase myself 
>out of
>a list that paradoxically seems to be given over more and more to the kind 
>of
>arid scholasticism Bourdieu castigates so very effectively. The smugness 
>and
>pomposity of your "leave the list for more substantial issues and 
>responses" all
>of a sudden leaves me with a strong distaste for the list. Leave it I will.
>
>Regards
>Simon
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