File spoon-archives/bourdieu.archive/bourdieu_2001/bourdieu.0111, message 41


Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2001 17:43:01 +0000
From: "karl.maton" <karl.maton-AT-pop.ntlworld.com>
Subject: Re: discussion group


I would always suggest a pinch of salt for any theorist claiming he's doing
anything.  And there are very good reasons for keeping them apart at certain
stages of analysis.  If they're just a mush, then how would one say that
agency or structure played a role in an event?  One cannot analyse the
interaction of structure and agency unless one analytically distinguishes
them.  Of course, before someone points out the blindingly obvious, they
always appear empirically realised together and inseparable empirically.  But
that is no reason for not analytically distinguishing them.

Sam Paldanius wrote:

> Interesting question but I cant agree with you deb!
> As I recall Bourdieus opinions, hes favouring both agency and structure
> since, in his opinion, its pointless to keep them a part (I belive he
> wrote that in "In other words, 1994, stanford university press). Its the
> relation between them that is in focus. Personally I think its a nice try
> to take the theoretical discussion a bit longer down the road. It could
> also be interpreted as another ballgame in which case it impossible to try
> to connect ideas built on them apart and ideas assuming they are not. To me
> it means;  think twice on what kind of order you, as a researcher, are
> oriented towards or prefer to put on to your empirical data, and something
> like, put yourself in conflict with established ideas in order to start
> questioning what it is you reproduce as a researcher. I know too little
> about Giddens to have an opinion.
>
> Regards
>
> Sam
>
> Sam Paldanius
> Departement of behavioural sciences
> Linkping university
> 581 83 Linkoping
> tel: 013 282108
> e-post: sampa-AT-ipp.liu.se
> Fax: 013-282145
>
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With best wishes,

Karl

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