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Date: Thu, 02 May 2002 00:40:25 -0500
From: Fernando <fericho90-AT-cable.net.co>
Subject: Re: Re: Re: Gopnik blame


Hey Ketil

I' agree completely about the "passe" condition of the class conceptions
described within "the distinction", but just consider that this masterpiece
took its empirical base from the 70's urban France, and was wrotten and
published around 1979, when we can affirm that consumption trends were
almost completely located as  structural affinities like a particular
class's fraction's consuming behavior.  However as you may guess, class and
taste structures are not "postmodern" here in Colombia, as they in fact are
not even completely "modern", if we observe the unacomplished indicators of
modernity we have in here as a society and a Nation-State.
Therefore, the categories used in the distinction are more than operative
here, with the obvious exception that resists the "natural" class
positioning or presents unorthodox consumptions. Nevertheless those aren't
the mayority, not even the minority.  I believe that as a society becames
more complex, the affinities and generally the class structures aren't that
predictible, (that is what I believe, happens inside the "first world", your
country for example - I've just reached till Spain's territory- )although
the Huge and not too visible owners of the world will always be different.

On the other hand, I was looking for the correct name given in English for
the second book I recomended to you, and I found two great surprises.  First
of all, the book is called "The Inheritors : French Students and Their
Relations to Culture".  This is one of the first recognized Bourdieu's
works, it was published around 1968, and it treats extensively the
reproduction's phenomenom of the French's social structure within the
educative system, including the social differences between lyceum, school,
technical institutes, and so far, proving also how meritcracy operates as a
reinforcement of the capitals acumulated and inherited (that's why it's
called "the inheritors") by fractions from the dominant class, as they have
the academic merit to aprove admision tests for prestigious
schools -"ecoles"- due to their`s huge inherited cultural capital, which
arrived orally as well as materially to them.
I also found two books regarding education, and published  in the 90's by
Bourdieu, one of them is called "Academic Discourse : Linguistic
Misunderstanding and Professorial Power" from Standford University Press,
published in 1996.  I haven't read it, but you can find an 8 page sample at.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/stores/detail/-/books/0804726884/slide-
show/104-3670733-7673552#reader-link
There is as well another Book called "Academic Discourse", published in
1994.  Haven't read it neither.

Good luck.
Y Dulces Sueños...

F.A.R.K.  (No relation at all with F.A.R.C.)



----- Original Message -----
From: "Ketil Thorgersen" <bourdieu-AT-rytmisk.net>
To: <bourdieu-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu>
Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 2:39 PM
Subject: Re: Re: Re: Gopnik blame


> Thanks a lot for your effort!
>
> I comment on the way.
>
> >I'm a Colombian Undergraduate writing my thesis on sociology of
consumption
> >(if that exist).  I think you can consult the distincton's chapter number
> >two, (I read the book in spanish, chapter two is called "el espacio
social y
> >sus transformaciones", 'the social space and its transformations' I
believe)
> >specially the part concerning class condition and social conditionings
(I`m
> >doing my best with traslations) And that which talks about the existance
of
> >a threedimensional space constructed by the volume, the structure and the
> >trayectory that the different sorts of capitals have within general
social
> >space, an sketch that you may use comfortably but carefully over the
> >music-educative field.  I think you can find an hybrid conception of
status
> >particullary in the concept of social capytal.
>
> I agree, and what I've written so far has been based partly on this
> combined with what I've read in the Norwegian translation of "Rsponses.
> Pour une anthropologie rflexive" where Waquant inteview Bourdieu.
> I think however that the class assumptions are a bit passe but the way of
> thinking is right, but the world seems more flexible in the postmodern
> Norway at least.
>
> >However, the economic and
> >cultural capital crossover is the one that allows differential levels of
> >legitimacy to accumulate and benefit its bearer, operating that way as
> >social capital.  There you have also the concepts of (I dont know which
is
> >the precise traslation for this, sorry) "enclasamiento"-enclassment? (I
> >don't think so) "desclasamiento"-unclassment?, and Domination, processes
> >which determines completely the particular class-habitus, the one that as
an
> >sketch of systems that generates the appreciations, actions,
> >classifications, of the musical taste and practice, makes certain kinds
of
> >music genders likable for some class fractions and rejectable for others,
as
> >well as makes different the content's priorityes for a music school
composed
> >basically by low paid and qualified employees's sons and daugthers and a
> >music school composed basically by bussinesmen or firm's lawers sons and
> >daugthers.
>
> That's the bit that doeasn't work in my view, but I agree with the general
> way of thinking that a combination of habitus and discourses build
symbolic
> capital and thereby status.
>
> >Have you read "Homo Academicus" and "the Students and Culture"? (It's
"Los
> >Estudiantes y la Cultura" in spanish, I'don't know if it's like that in
> >English)
>
> The Swedish translation of Homo academicus is on my bedpost at the moment.
> The other one is unfamiliar. Is it recommended?
>
> >I Hope you can use any of this
> >Greetings and Good luck, Buen viento y Buena Mar...
>
> I really appreciate your efforts and it's nice to have my thought on the
> subject confirmed.
>
> Best regards
> Ketil Thorgersen
>
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