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From: "Pam Stello" <stello-AT-socrates.berkeley.edu>
Subject: Re: [BOU:] Re: Who and What thinks America is No Longer a Christian Country???
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 15:48:47 -0700


Hi Victor,

That's a tough question. My gut sense is this is a wider, more international
field relation and hierarchy between Western science and Eastern countries
where people see America as representative of Christian culture. I think in
the original e-mail that America was viewed as a Christian country by people
in certain parts of the Middle East. Would this representation be part of
the relations between Christianity and Western science which came together
in the 19th century and with the commodification of scientific genius
creating an international hegemony where the institutions of the
professionalization of science were and have been instituted. I wrote about
this earlier with the British Association for the Advancement of Science in
1833. I know this does not fully address your question. I have to think
about this question more. It is an interesting one.

Pam

Interesting question,
----- Original Message -----
From: "Victor Braitberg" <bvictor5-AT-qwest.net>
To: <bourdieu-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu>
Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 2:44 PM
Subject: [BOU:] Re: Who and What thinks America is No Longer a Christian
Country???


> Hi Pam,
>
> "America is thought to be a Christian country but it no longer is".  Im
> really confused now.  The message that you sent earlier from Project
Strait
> Gate did in fact propose this as a statement of fact.  But do you really
> believe this?   On what basis?  I live in the United STates and it seems
to
> me that Christianity in its formal relgious manifestations is doing quite
> well- chrurch's are doing great business, attendance is steady or growing.
> More generally Christain values and ideas have throroughly permeated the
> culture, and references to the Judeo-Christian tradition are widespread in
> public, especially political life.  I think here of the recent controversy
> surrounding the pledge of allegiance and the constitutionalaity of the
> reference to "one nation under God."  The voices in the media and
political
> leaders were nearly unanimous in delegitimizing the challenge to "One
nation
> under God."  And don't most polls show that a majority of Americans
believe
> in God?  Has there been a dramatically precipitous decline in church
> attendance that I am unaware of?  Arent out of wedlock births still
frowned
> upon? Isnt' marriage still extremely popular- especially as compared to
the
> European countries?
>
> If you are really interested in social change, it would make a lot more
> sense to talk about France, for example, once known as a Christian
country,
> now known for the Godlessness of its non-arab population.  By golly, they
> are having to import priests from former colonies- as is Spain- or so Im
> told.
>
> So, "America is thought to be a Christian country but it no longer is" a
> statement which draws on particular investments and interests embedded in
a
> particular set of field relations which you havent explicated.  Still
> waiting for you to make an attempt at spelling these out.
>
> victor
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Pam Stello" <stello-AT-socrates.berkeley.edu>
> To: <bourdieu-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 5:06 PM
> Subject: Re: American is Thought to be a Christian Country But it NoLonger
> is Why, What Changed
>
>
> > In response to Sigmund,
> >
> > apologies for sending the post without specifying.
> >
> > > Please address questions specifically, quote relevant sections, and
> > summarize relevant background.
> >
> > my question was referring back to earlier posts re: how Bourdieu
theorizes
> > social change. through the lense of his work how can we address the
> > question:
> >
> > America is thought to be a Christian country but it no longer is, why?
> what
> > changed?
> >
> > Pam
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Sigmund Rivkin-Fish" <ziggy-AT-princeton.edu>
> > To: <bourdieu-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu>
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 4:57 PM
> > Subject: Re: American is Thought to be a Christian Country But it
NoLonger
> > is Why, What Changed
> >
> >
> > > Dear Pam
> > >
> > > Please address questions specifically, quote relevant sections, and
> > summarize relevant background. If there is a need to refer to an entire
> long
> > post, please refer to a website. I have no interest in being bombarded
> with
> > yet another antisemitic spam message (this one I have already received
> over
> > and over again).
> > >
> > > What is the exact question you would want Bourdieu to have addressed?
> > >
> > > Ziggy Rivkin-Fish
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > >
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