From: "Irvin Peckham" <ipeckh1-AT-lsu.edu>
Subject: RE: [BOU:] economic, cultural and symbolic capital
Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 12:42:36 -0500


yes.  and which spoon to use, what to wear and how to wear it.  When to
smile & how to eat.

========================Irvin Peckham
Director of Firstyear Writing
Louisiana State University
ipeckh1-AT-lsu.edu

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Schubert
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Subject: Re: [BOU:] economic, cultural and symbolic capital


hi all,

	to irvin's post i would add only the following:  cultural capital goes
beyond what one knows intellectually.  it includes also what one can do.
  it is embodied, in the form of the talents one has.  to be able to
dance in socially sanctioned ways, or to kick a ball into a net, or to
lift a box onto a shelf, or to speak in one or more languages (or
disciplines), or to....

best,
dan



Irvin Peckham wrote:
> i've interpreted symbolic capital in terms of control of symbol systems
> in the culture--also includes possession of those symbols.  titles after
> one's name (phd) is symbolic capital.  Also being in a position to make
> titles after one's name (like phd) count in the struggle for distinction
> is symbolic capital.
>
> cultural capital i've interpreted in terms of what one knows.  knowledge
> of opera, art, literature is cultural capital.  it should go without
> saying that cultural captial changes according to the social group
> legitimating that cultural capital.  this is my simplified, layperson's
> understanding of these two kinds of capital.  bourdieu calls education
> the legitimated form of cultural capital.
>
>
> ========================> Irvin Peckham
> Director of Firstyear Writing
> Louisiana State University
> ipeckh1-AT-lsu.edu
>
>     -----Original Message-----
>     From: owner-bourdieu-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu
>     [mailto:owner-bourdieu-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu]On Behalf Of
>     Cameron Mann
>     Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 9:39 AM
>     To: bourdieu-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu
>     Subject: [BOU:] economic, cultural and symbolic capital
>
>     OK, this may be the prompt for me to pull me head in.  Oh my, let me
>     see the anticipation of sanctions modify my behaviours.
>
>     Here I've been posting away happily, sharing (verbosely) my
>     understandings of Bourdieu's ideas, from my unfortunately
>     under-resourced location in a call-centre, and I fear a lack of
>     references has let me down.
>
>     Ziggy has written:
>
>     "Economic capital and symbolic capital are different species.
>     Economic and Cultural capital (as well as various other forms of
>     capital) are particular to their respective fields (economic and
>     cultural fields) (these you can collapse only if there was no
>     difference between the logics of the fields). Symbolic capital,
>     however, is any type of capital misrecognized and masked in terms of
>     its logic and source of authority. Economic capital is defined in
>     terms of one's ability to invest and reap financial returns. "
>
>     There seems to be a distinction to be made between "symbolic
>     capital" and "cultural capital," and this is something I have either
>     overlooked, or conflated, or forgotten. When I've been saying
>     'symbolic capital' I've been thinking (I guess) of 'illusio', the
>     stakes in the 'game' of a field - but perhaps this is 'cultural
>     capital', and symbolic capital is something altogether different.
>
>     The only appropriate responses to my confusion and embarassment are
>     to ask Ziggy to clarify these (please), and also to go dig through a
>     library looking for "The Forms of Capital."
>
>     Bourdieu, Pierre (1986). The Forms of Capital. In John Richardson,
>     Ed. Handbook of Theory and Research for the Sociology of Education.
>     New York: Greenwood Press, pp. 241-258.
>
>     Cameron Mann
>     csmann-AT-bigpond.com
>
>     'And the world outside this room has also assumed a familiar shape,
>     the same events shuffled in a slightly different order each day.
>     Just like a modern shopping centre.'
>     F.E.E.L.I.N.G. C.A.L.L.E.D. L.O.V.E - Pulp
>


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