File spoon-archives/bourdieu.archive/bourdieu_2003/bourdieu.0305, message 36


From: "kent strock" <sigmund5-AT-hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: newbies-suggestions for narrowing posts?
Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 05:35:00 +0000



Perhaps a single text be read closely.  And as "newbies" why not begin with 
Outline of a Theory of Practice or at least The Logic of Practice. So many 
questions and positions taken seem not to be informed by the basic problems 
that he took on and developed...such as the logic of practice, schemes of 
perception, disposition etc.  One of Bourdieu's strongest statements that I 
think is essential is that his work cannot be understood without 
understanding it within the intellectual lineage from which it emerged. 
Which in Outline is dissatisfaction with structuralism despite its allure 
and his development of a post-structuralist position.  But as was mentioned 
in an earlier post, a teacher felt that perhaps he was a sadist for 
assigning these ESSENTIAL early works. Unfortunately in American MaCademia, 
this type of close intense reading of difficult texts isn't effienct and 
just too difficult.


Life is the lie we tell everybody else.
-vic chesnutt





>From: "David C. Bartecchi" <dbartecchi-AT-yahoo.com>
>Reply-To: bourdieu-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu
>To: bourdieu-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu
>Subject: Re: newbies
>Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 21:14:50 -0700 (PDT)
>
>I don't think we should be critical of so called "meta-posts." I personally 
>don't want to be part of any dialogue or discussion that doesn't allow 
>people to share a little about themselves. It sounds like a lot of people 
>on this list are tired of the stagnancy and would prefer a more relaxed and 
>meaningful dialogue of Bourdieu. Once people establish/reestablish the 
>norms of the group the number of posts will surly subside and we can get 
>back to a more focused discussion.
>David Bartecchi
>
>Patrick Crosby <pcrosby-AT-ieee.org> wrote:Well, I disagree. 30 emails+ /day 
>of "newbie" questions, and newbies telling what their personal interests, 
>and
>people thanking newbies for these posts (is that a "metapost," perhaps? a 
>post about posts?) are, is a bit much.
>Especially when my own posts are now getting censored. (At least in the 
>last 3 hours, the last one I attempted to
>post has nt made it. Maybe because I was critical in it of some well known 
>televangelists?). When I have time to
>figure out how to do it, I will unsubscribe. There USED to be serious 
>discussion here.
>
>heymoira-AT-email.com wrote:
>
> > I would like to thank the newbies for reviving this list. For a while 
>there, it was close to being moribund.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Michael Franklin
> > Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 11:36:33 -0500
> > To: bourdieu-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu
> > Subject: question
> >
> > > Hey list,
> > >
> > > I'm one of those so-called newbies, so treat me tenderly.
> > >
> > > I just finished Distinction and had a question. In the chapter on 
>culture
> > > and politics, Bourdieu discusses a disconnect between class condition 
>and
> > > political consciousness (e.g., a working-class guy who is politically
> > > conservative and an evangelical Christian). Mediating this 
>"disconnect" is
> > > class interest, but Bourdieu never identifies the principles of 
>assignment
> > > that would link a specific class with a specific interest. The 
>conventional
> > > way of defining "interest" is by identifying a social agent's (or 
>class of
> > > agents') subjective intentions/beliefs. Yet, Bourdieu seems to define
> > > "interest" objectively, outside the social agent's consciousness, by
> > > suggesting that there is a true politics associated with the
> > > social/economic condition of the social agent that trumps the false
> > > politics associated with myth, religion, nationalism, etc.
> > >
> > > If anyone could point me in the direction of relevant articles/books, 
>I'd
> > > appreciate it, especially something that takes into account mass media 
>and
> > > PR.
> > >
> > > Thanks much,
> > > Michael Franklin
> > > University of MN
> > >
> > >
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