Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 23:33:18 -0700
From: Patrick Crosby <pcrosby-AT-ieee.org>
Subject: Re: newbies and posts worth taking time to read. America fitting B's 




You completely missed my point. If people want to say something about
themselves, fine. But if that's *all* someone has to say, I still have
to wonder what the point of it all is. AOL chartrooms and the like are
the more appropriate places for that sort of thing, it seems to me. If
such biographical information is not combined with at least some minimal
discussion of Bourdieu and some aspect or application of his work, who
is going to remember what is said for more than 5 minutes? It seems to
me that a far better approach would be to make some interesting posts
first, and THEN say something about the person who has all of these
interesting things to say. At that point, someone might actually be
*interested* in learning such biographical information.
   And as for your own criticism about me, that's fine too. But what
about my hypothesis that America does not fit Bourdieu's model very
well, for the specific reasons I mentioned? You completely ignored that.
Why? Are you such as dyed-in-the wool Durkheimian to think my hypothesis
to be prima facie false? If that's what you think, say so. If you don't
know enough of Bourdieu (or Durkheim) to comment one way or another
(presumably, that's not really the case), you shouldn't be wasting my
time or anyone else's here.
  In brief: go ahead, bash me all you want, but at least bash me about
something half way interesting--- more than that, something which
relates to Bourdieu and his work. To put it bluntly, I'm not interested
in reading mere "small talk" posts. Furthermore, I try not to write
them. If that's what the rest of you want, fine. I will simply
unsubscribe. But I really doubt that is the case.


"David C. Bartecchi" wrote:

> I don't think we should be critical of so called "meta-posts." I
> personally don't want to be part of any dialogue or discussion that
> doesn't allow people to share a little about themselves. It sounds
> like a lot of people on this list are tired of the stagnancy and would
> prefer a more relaxed and meaningful dialogue of Bourdieu. Once people
> establish/reestablish the norms of the group the number of posts will
> surly subside and we can get back to a more focused discussion.
> David Bartecchi
>
> Patrick Crosby <pcrosby-AT-ieee.org> wrote:
>
>      Well, I disagree. 30 emails+ /day of "newbie" questions, and
>      newbies telling what their personal interests, and
>      people thanking newbies for these posts (is that a
>      "metapost," perhaps? a post about posts?) are, is a bit
>      much.
>      Especially when my own posts are now getting censored. (At
>      least in the last 3 hours, the last one I attempted to
>      post has nt made it. Maybe because I was critical in it of
>      some well known televangelists?). When I have time to
>      figure out how to do it, I will unsubscribe. There USED to
>      be serious discussion here.
>
>      heymoira-AT-email.com wrote:
>
>      > I would like to thank the newbies for reviving this list.
>      For a while there, it was close to being moribund.
>      >
>      > ----- Original Message -----
>      > From: Michael Franklin
>      > Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 11:36:33 -0500
>      > To: bourdieu-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu
>      ! > Subject: question
>      >
>      > > Hey list,
>      > >
>      > > I'm one of those so-called newbies, so treat me
>      tenderly.
>      > >
>      > > I just finished Distinction and had a question. In the
>      chapter on culture
>      > > and politics, Bourdieu discusses a disconnect between
>      class condition and
>      > > political consciousness (e.g., a working-class guy who
>      is politically
>      > > conservative and an evangelical Christian). Mediating
>      this "disconnect" is
>      > > class interest, but Bourdieu never identifies the
>      principles of assignment
>      > > that would link a specific class with a specific
>      interest. The conventional
>      > > way of defining "interest" is by identifying a social
>      agent's (or class of
>      > > agents') subjective intentions/beliefs. Yet, Bourdieu
>      seems to define
>      > > "interest" objectively, outside the social agent's
>      consciousness, by
>      > > suggesting that there is a true politics associat! ed
>      with the
>      > > social/economic condition of the soci! al agent that
>      trumps the false
>      > > politics associated with myth, religion, nationalism,
>      etc.
>      > >
>      > > If anyone could point me in the direction of relevant
>      articles/books, I'd
>      > > appreciate it, especially something that takes into
>      account mass media and
>      > > PR.
>      > >
>      > > Thanks much,
>      > > Michael Franklin
>      > > University of MN
>      > >
>      > >
>      > >
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