From: "Glen Fuller" <g.fuller-AT-uws.edu.au>
Subject: RE: question +WAY too many posts
Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 18:56:11 +1000


Michael,

What about Bourdieu's "Acts of resistance : against the tyranny of the
market"? It is a little book, made up of various speeches and articles
Bourdieu wrote.

Glen. 

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[mailto:owner-bourdieu-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu] On Behalf Of Michael
Franklin
Sent: Friday, 2 May 2003 6:40 PM
To: bourdieu-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu
Subject: Re: question +WAY too many posts

Hey Pat,

I meant to cite my own example of working-class false consciousness, not

Bourdieus.  But please dont leave the list because of me.  I would 
certainly leave first.  Someone as clever as you should stick around.
Your 
suggestion that I read Distinction (again) was too much.  Thats
hilarious 
stuff.  Youd be missed!

Despite what will probably be a futile exercise, I will try to clarify
my 
previous email.

Bourdieu defines 'interests' in a fairly straightforward way: the system
of 
economic goods that either supports or hurts a person or a group.
What's at 
stake in Distinction is that people simply DO NOT perceive their
'interests' 
correctly, and the reason is the overlay of myth and deception inherent
in 
culture -- good old fashioned 'false consciousness.  Distinction shows
the 
variety of ways that our tastes and lifestyles keep us isolated from
each 
other, keep the classes in their place, and keep us from a clear
perception 
of the economic reality.

In the chapter on culture and politics, Bourdieu explains the many
causes at 
work in generating the political choices of the different classes.  He 
emphasizes the dominated class exclusion from the means of producing 
political discourse and its dependence on recognizing itself in the 
political discourse generated by the dominant class.

I simply wanted some suggestions on where to go to read more on the 
political field and related issues, specifcally something that addresses
the 
theoretical conditions necessary to resist the dominant political
discourse.

Cheers,
Michael


----Original Message Follows----
From: Patrick Crosby <pcrosby-AT-ieee.org>
Reply-To: bourdieu-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu
To: bourdieu-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu
Subject: Re: question +WAY too many posts
Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 11:29:07 -0700

I'd like to be treated a lot more "tenderly" too, with a lot few posts. 
Right
now, they're running some 30/day. As a result, I'm hardly reading any of

them.
And the few I do make me shake my head in amazement: Evangelical
Christians? 
in
France? Bourdieu talks about that???
Over the last few years, it hasn't been this way. I really hate to 
unsubscribe
from this list, but I may have to. To one who made the post I'm here 
(randomly)
responding to: the book you should read is called Distinction. But read
it, 
this
time, with the realization that the author is French, and basically sees

France
(rightly or wrongly, for better or for worse) ) as a microcosm for the
whole
world. Realize also that the likes of Franklin Graham and Rev. Foul Well

are
symptoms of a social disease that thus far has been largely confined to 
America.
Let us hope that the "viruses" which cause this disease (corporate
monopoly
ownership of both the US communication mass media and the U.S.
government
itself, plus a deliberately sabotaged public educational system) can be 
confined
to U.S. Borders.

Michael Franklin wrote:

 > Hey list,
 >
 > I'm one of those so-called newbies, so treat me tenderly.
 >
 > I just finished Distinction and had a question.  In the chapter on 
culture
 > and politics, Bourdieu discusses a disconnect between class condition
and
 > political consciousness (e.g., a working-class guy who is politically
 > conservative and an evangelical Christian).  Mediating this
"disconnect" 
is
 > class interest, but Bourdieu never identifies the principles of 
assignment
 > that would link a specific class with a specific interest.  The 
conventional
 > way of defining "interest" is by identifying a social agent's (or
class 
of
 > agents') subjective intentions/beliefs.  Yet, Bourdieu seems to
define
 > "interest" objectively, outside the social agent's consciousness, by
 > suggesting that there is a true politics associated with the
 > social/economic condition of the social agent that trumps the false
 > politics associated with myth, religion, nationalism, etc.
 >
 > If anyone could point me in the direction of relevant articles/books,
I'd
 > appreciate it, especially something that takes into account mass
media 
and
 > PR.
 >
 > Thanks much,
 > Michael Franklin
 > University of MN
 >
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