From: "Yitzhak Laor" <laor-AT-barak.net.il>
Subject: Re: [BOU:] Islam [Spam][89.9%]
Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2004 18:29:41 +0200


Is this the inferior argument of "I know them, I live among them"? Is this
an answer by a sociologist, or a journalist?

Yitzhak
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From: "john.kaman" <john.kaman-AT-wanadoo.fr>
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Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2004 5:55 PM
Subject: RE: [BOU:] Islam [Spam][89.9%]


> If you think that young Islamic women want to wear the veil as a sign of
> identity you are sadly mistaken.  I teach in the University of Paris
system
> and I can tell you that in my long experience these young women take their
> veils off once they see that they are safe from their fundamentalist male
> oppressors.
>
> John
>
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>
>
> On 4 janv. 04, at 18:11, john.kaman wrote:
>
> > meant when I made the distinction between the sunnite majority here in
> > France which supports the government's position on the veil as opposed
> > to
> > the more extreme manifestations of Islam which of course do not.
>
> And is it possible to see this veil thing as totally unrelated to Islam
> as a religion ? Where we would find "progressive" groups and
> "extreme/obscurantists" ones ? What about adolescents who try to assert
> their identity as all adolescents do ? Some wear mini skirts, some wear
> old worn out jeans some wear a head scarf etc ... Of course the symbol
> chosen to assert one's identity reflects one culture/upbringing, but
> considering everything that has been written on the subject I see much
> more Republican fundamentalism than Muslim fundamentalism in what is
> going in France now. We (?) have to worry more about the French State
> that only takes cosmetic measures to satisfy a conservative electorate
> without doing anything about the real causes of unemployment etc than
> of a few young ladies who probably will get a reality check  in a few
> years if not taken to the front of the stage for wearing a head scarf
> and not being willing to show their body to boys during sport classes.
>
> JC Helary
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