From: "john.kaman" <john.kaman-AT-wanadoo.fr>
Subject: RE: [BOU:] l'affaire du foulard
Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 04:08:50 +0100


As I say, if you really believein what you say congratulations.  Most people
no longer believe in anything.  Now get out of academia and do something
about it.  Bourdieu did and he praised others who followed his example.  So
let's crack that cocoon and get moving.

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:owner-bourdieu-AT-lists.village.Virginia.EDU]On Behalf Of Patrick
Crosby
Sent: mardi 6 janvier 2004 00:15
To: bourdieu-AT-lists.village.Virginia.EDU
Subject: Re: [BOU:] l'affaire du foulard


First of all, I think you're conflating posts I've made in response to
two different people (even though the two are evidently personal friends
of each other).
Regarding Par's comments, I simply ask for clarification of one phrase
that had a word which indeed, was not part of the English language, as
you say. Neither he, you, not anyone else, has attempted to do explain
what either the word or the entire phrase meant. I would have thought
that could have been done in a sentence or two--- much less than your
response to me here, at any rate.
   As far as his suggestion (if this is really what he was saying, I
don't know) that the US is a defacto socialist nation, I stand by my
contention that defending that position would make for great stand up
comedy, here in the US. If you don't see the humor in this, it just
shows that you don't know what's going on internally in the US. For
starters, not only is there no national health insurance here, fewer and
fewer people are getting health insurance with their job (those who are
lucky enough to still have full time jobs). In fact, in California, for
the last 3 months, there has been an ongoing supermarket strike
surrounding this very issue of health insurance. Anyone who thinks I'm
not doing anything about any of this (as Par's friend has suggested)
should ask some of the striking workers here in San Clemente (where
Nixon's "Western Whitehouse" used to be)  about some conversations
they've had with me about the nature of capitalism, and how their
"health insurance" problem really ought to be solved. (I *know,* Par was
probably talking about France, or maybe Sweden).
     No I have no quarrel with Par at all. I simply wanted to know what
one phrase meant, and what country he was talking about. And because of
that, but more likely because of  some disparaging comments I made about
GW Bush, I received a very sharp personal attack from that friend of
Par's. Evidently this individual is a fan of Mr. Bush, Rumsfeld, and the
rest of that PNAC crowd. (Such persons, who generally call themselves
Neocons and Republicans, are known to progressive thinking people here
as "ditto heads;" and other things I wouldn't post here; in the surfing
world they are known as "barnies," "dewies," "kooks," and "goons." But
personally I have no intention of resorting to name calling here). Fine,
I've made my rebuttal, and I have nothing further to say to him on this
or any other matter. To slightly expand upon what I said in the previous
post, abstract thinkers, as Hegel described them in "Who Thinks
Abstractly?" are in another stratosphere, and too intelligent for a mere
surfer dude like me to effectively communicate with. So I won't try. As
far as Par's original post goes, I've since moved on to other things. I
don't even remember what the phrase in question was anymore--- nor do I
much care.

Laterbye,
da Moose Man ;)

Roy W. Reese wrote:

>~ b) it made very little sense to anyone else, as far as I can tell.
>
>
>Sorry, Patrick, but, whether Par's comments lie within the western doxa or
>not -- or one agrees with him or not, I think the comments made a great
deal
>of sense, were indeed intended for and appropriate to a more general
>audience, and sparked at least one useful rejoinder.
>
>By the way, in case I need to clarify, Par's comments were very much on
>target in addressing the issue of the foulard.  We can certainly find ways
>to relate that to the US political situation more generally -- about which
I
>promise a post shortly that I hope will stimulate broader excursions on
this
>list . . . .
>
>Roy
>
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