From: "john.kaman" <john.kaman-AT-wanadoo.fr> Subject: RE: [BOU:] veil and democracy Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 09:22:30 +0100 I would like to thank Ozgur for this example which illustrates both the modernity of Turkey and at the same time provides a good example of what is problamatic about the veil (I realize it's a turban in Turkey; in much of the rest of the world it is a shawl like cloth that covers the head and shoulders). Imagine that you are accused of a crime and that when you appear in court to be judged, the master of your fate is wearing a head cloth that identifies her as a fundamentalist Muslim. Would you feel comfortable with the proceeding even if this individual had promised to set aside her religious and follow the laws of Turkey in her judicial functions? It's a little like those horrid examples from the US where a district court posted the ten commandments outside the courthouse (eventually ruled illegal by the Supreme Court). In this particular situation, choose either one, how can you be sure you are being judged by the laws of the state or some deeper more primitive structure? That's just it, you can't. And yes Ozgur I know that this is not a sociological comment. BTW for the individual who ordered us to change the subject, the discussion for the most part has referred to Bourdieu, both the 1989 text and the 2001 interview and his views on the veil and Islam. I suggest that if he doesn't like the subject he change the channel. John Kaman -----Original Message----- From: owner-bourdieu-AT-lists.village.Virginia.EDU [mailto:owner-bourdieu-AT-lists.village.Virginia.EDU]On Behalf Of Ozgur Budak Sent: mercredi 7 janvier 2004 07:07 To: bourdieu-AT-lists.village.Virginia.EDU Subject: [BOU:] veil and democracy Here is a recent example from Turkey showing the extend such a secularism arrived; 3 months ago a high court judge prohibited a female defendant's entry to the court since she was wearing a turban. Judge said court was a public place and people must wear accrodingly in such places. The incident divided the judges in two; the funny think is that those who supported the prohibition referred to French case to defend their actions. I know French case didn't go to such extremities but I guess this is a good example of the extend things can shape. Ozgur -- EgeNet Internet Servisleri (http://mail.egenet.com.tr) ********************************************************************** Contributions: bourdieu-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu Commands: majordomo-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu Requests: bourdieu-approval-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu ********************************************************************** Contributions: bourdieu-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu Commands: majordomo-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu Requests: bourdieu-approval-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu
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