File spoon-archives/bourdieu.archive/bourdieu_2004/bourdieu.0410, message 22


Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 12:36:06 -0700
From: steven w <primeweevil-AT-shaw.ca>
Subject: Re: [BOU:] War, Death and History


This person sends this stuff to almost every listserve remotely related to
his subject matter. I suspect Orion Anderson and Richard Koenigsberg are the
same selfpromoting entity.

spam spam spam wonderful spam!


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Chris Andersen" <cta1-AT-ualberta.ca>
To: <bourdieu-AT-lists.village.Virginia.EDU>
Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2004 12:06 PM
Subject: RE: [BOU:] War, Death and History


> Why do we keep getting these same links?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-bourdieu-AT-lists.village.Virginia.EDU
> [mailto:owner-bourdieu-AT-lists.village.Virginia.EDU] On Behalf Of Orion
> Anderson
> Sent: October 19, 2004 9:42 AM
> To: bourdieu-AT-lists.village.Virginia.EDU
> Subject: [BOU:] War, Death and History
>
> War, Death and History
>
>
> In the First World War, human beings were proud of the endless rows of
> white
> crosses that memorialized the dead soldiers even as the war was being
> fought. They didn't realize that the war was fought in order to create
> the
> crosses. Nations exist because memorials testify to the fact that people
> have died in their name.
>
> Soldiers in World War did what they were asked to do: They got out of
> trenches and ran into artillery shells and machine-gun fire. However,
> the
> cause of the killing and dying was obscure; the source was murky. Wars
> happen. When wars happen, soldiers die.
>
> Today, we are not unaware of the relationship between human agency, war
> and
> the death of the soldier. We know that wars are the result of choices
> that
> people make. Since we know that we have chosen war--that we are the
> cause of
> the soldier's death--we're not so proud of memorials. We no longer
> flaunt
> them. In fact, we sometimes hide them. We don't want to be excessively
> conscious of the results of our choices.
>
>   _____
>
> Richard Koenigsberg's writings have revolutionized our understanding of
> the
> sources of societal violence. To read his papers (listed below) on war,
> genocide and civilizational self-destruction,
>
> PLEASE
> <http://rs6.net/tn.jsp?t=bis8g6n6.0.0.85y8w8n6.0&p=http%3A%2F%2Fhome.ear
> thli
> nk.net%2F%7Elibraryofsocialscience%2F> CLICK HERE or visit:
>
> http://home.earthlink.net/~libraryofsocialscience/
> <http://rs6.net/tn.jsp?t=bis8g6n6.0.0.85y8w8n6.0&p=http%3A%2F%2Fhome.ear
> thli
> nk.net%2F%7Elibraryofsocialscience>
>
>
> * AS THE SOLDIER DIES, SO DOES THE NATION COME ALIVE: The
> Sacrificial
> Meaning of Warfare
>
> * DYING FOR ONE'S COUNTRY: The Logic of War and Genocide
>
> * THE LOGIC OF THE HOLOCAUST: Why the Nazi's Killed the Jews
>
> * THE SACRIFICIAL MEANING OF THE HOLOCAUST
>
> * AZTEC WARFARE, WESTERN WARFARE: The Soldier as Sacrificial
> Victim
>
>
>
>   _____
>
> Yet we do want to know that the soldier has died--for our cause. In war,
> the
> soldier dies for all of us. National glory derives from the willingness
> of
> the soldier to give his life. If soldiers did not accede to give their
> lives, there could be no national glory. Without national glory, there
> would
> be no history.
>
> The death of the soldier sustains the fantasy. Soldiers die so that we
> can
> read about leaders and wars in history books. The greater the number of
> deaths, the more significant the historical event. Wars are undertaken
> in
> order to remind us of our sacred ideals. Death in war testifies to the
> reality of the ideal. Wars occur in order to be remembered--so that
> leaders
> and nations can make history.
>
> People feel better when there is terrorism and war. War reassures us
> that
> life is meaningful. Triviality and frivolity are replaced by
> significance
> and solemnity. In order for history to continue, wars are created. As
> long
> as wars occur, there can be no "end of history." Narratives become grand
> again: The world has returned to normalcy.
>
> Once again, there seems to be a center. When there is a center, it is
> difficult to be "multi." The center is where death occurs and is located
> in
> the minds of those who cause death. The center is the sacred ideal that
> is
> the cause and justification for killing. If they can die for their
> ideals,
> we can die for ours. Without sacred ideals, there is only Michael
> Jackson.
>
> War is full of sound and fury, a tale told by an idiot. Unless you are
> in
> the path of a bomb or bullet--then it's really real. Death and body
> mutilation are the basis of war and source of history. Bombs create
> "earth
> shattering" events. We create history in order to forget that our frail
> bodies are in the process of disintegrating.
>
>
>   _____
>
> E-mail: libraryofsocialscience-AT-earthlink.net
> Phone: 718-393-1081
> Web: http://home.earthlink.net/~libraryofsocialscience/
> <http://rs6.net/tn.jsp?t=bis8g6n6.0.0.85y8w8n6.0&p=http%3A%2F%2Fhome.ear
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