From: "Ozgur Budak" <budak-AT-egenet.com.tr>
Subject: Re: [BOU:] Home of Bourdieu
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 10:38:29 +0200


The annoyance of yahoo is better than having no Bourdieu group at all, so I
support a yahoo group.
Regards
Ozgur
----- Original Message -----
From: "Karl Maton" <matonianuk-AT-yahoo.co.uk>
To: <bourdieu-AT-lists.village.Virginia.EDU>
Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2004 7:56 AM
Subject: Re: [BOU:] Home of Bourdieu


> Hey Lexie and everyone,
>
> I am in oz and have missed some posts so don't know
> what's happened, but I run a couple of yahoo listservs
> and they're easy to sort out.  I'll set one up if you
> like.  I run one on the work of Bernstein on yahoo.
>
> Lexie - saw email before I left.  Will reply asap.
>
> Karl
>
>
>
>  --- el don <eldon-AT-panix.com> wrote:
> > At 15:19 -0600 29/11/04, Pia Kate wrote:
> > >It would be a shame to see this list die. Although
> > my knowledge is
> > >too limited to participate much I have found it
> > both fun and very
> > >useful over the years. Since I don't know what
> > alternatives are
> > >available I can only volunteer myself with some
> > time and effort to
> > >keep the list going.
> > >
> > >I would be happy to find out if my school would
> > consider hosting the
> > >list and learn how to run it, or I would be happy
> > to help someone
> > >better equipped to take on the management. If there
> > is no other
> > >solution available at the moment, might it be
> > helpful to move,
> > >temporarily, to a yahoo group?
> >
> > yahoo groups seem to be run quite well, i mean, they
> > can be run
> > easily by anyone. i set up a list very easily -
> > although it doesn't
> > have much traffic. another list i co-moderate on
> > yahoo has functioned
> > very ably for the last few years. we moderate new
> > members' posts, and
> > vet new members to try to avoid getting spammed.
> > seems to work OK.
> >
> >
> > as for the topic of propaganda and ayn rand, this is
> > a rich area for
> > discussion. with or without habitus. a while back i
> > wanted to air
> > some of my ideas on the confluence of bordieu's
> > notion of habitus and
> > bateson's conception of deutero-learning, or
> > learning how to learn,
> > which involves developing subconscious recognition
> > of 'contexts' as
> > similar to ones which have been experienced before -
> > thus making
> > action within that context much easier, as some
> > activites can be
> > relegated to subconscious behaviour. also, it means
> > that one
> > recognises certain contexts as similar and thus
> > finds a repeated
> > 'new' sequence of events easier to 'learn'.
> >
> > but my convoluted thinking on this matter has been
> > 'relegated' to the
> > subconscious for now, as i try to unlearn my
> > habitual ways of
> > aproaching my own research work, which entails
> > distractions in the
> > form of philosophy.
> >
> > yes, freedom of choice really only applies to the
> > fabulously wealthy.
> > all others pay cash and take their chances. plus,
> > the one failing of
> > capitalist ideals is down to a double bind inherent
> > in the dependency
> > of capitalism on competition. if there is freedom to
> > choose, then one
> > thing gets passed over in favour of another. if
> > there is competition
> > to be 'chosen' (or to 'win') then there cannot be
> > any winner without
> > entailing a loser. to my mind, capitalism and
> > competition in general
> > is utterly dependent on producing 'losers'.
> >
> > best,
> >
> > --
> > -----------
> > alexanne don
> > phd research student
> > applied linguistics
> > department of english
> > university of birmingham,
> > birmingham. B15 2TT
> > U.K.
> > (44)-0121-459-5318
> > <eldon-AT-panix.com>
> > <eldon-AT-gol.com>
> > <acd089-AT-bham.ac.uk>
> >
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