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Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 00:49:51 -0600 (CST)
From: nairda oremor <oxanairda-AT-yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [BOU:] End of anti-Semitic list: My remark misunderstood


Well, Glen, thanks for that...
 
cheers


Glen Fuller <g.fuller-AT-uws.edu.au> wrote:
Jessica, if you believe Sokal's comments constitute an 'effective' 
critique then you should really question your scholarly practice. It is 
very 'effective', not in critiquing Guattari or anyone else, but in 
having people believe that it is in fact a critique in the first place. 
Sokal's writings are the equivalent of a schoolboy's immature finger 
pointing at something that they can not really grasp, but think would 
be worthy of pointing out to all their hyper-modernist, sons-of-the-
enlightenment mates. I think Nadira was making a good point that _you_ 
should at least try to understand before so casually dismissing it on 
the grounds of someone else's 'charismatic' critique.

On a related note about anti-semiticism. There is an event scarred into 
my memory forever and it involves an American exchange student that I 
once took a class with. Somehow questions of Jewish identity came up, I 
think it was because we were studying popular music and identity and 
the Prof was Jon Stratton. The American exchange student said something 
like "I am Jewish and I often feel people looking at me funny, even in 
Australia." Or something along those lines, nothing too explicit, just 
the implication of a subtle racism-cum-ethnocentricism. He couldn't 
come up with any concrete examples either. 

I found his logic very hard to follow. He was an American student with 
a questionable fashion sense and bright natural orange hair on exchange 
to Australian university. Did he really think people were looking at 
him funny because he was Jewish or because he looked and spoke like 
some weird American exchange student? Maybe he was taking all this talk 
about 'identity' too literally, as if it were a badge you wore and was 
recognised by everyone else? I am not sure, but I remember thinking it 
was a bloody bizaare thing to say.

His misrecognition of reactions to him as a form of anti-semiticism 
were clearly wrong. However, what are the necessary conditions for 
someone for someone like Jessica or my American exchange student friend 
to understand behaviour through an antisemitic lense? The thing with 
the American exchange student occured a long time before 9/11, but 
maybe there is a basis for such micro-fascisms in some socially 
reproduced reactionary desire? 

Ciao,
Glen.


> Nadira
> Take a look at Sokal's Intellectual Imposters, and see for yourself 
how effectively he brings down Guattari. So, do not try to argue with 
me by quoting from a bogus, fraudulant semi-writer.
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> Jessica:
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> Perhaps your terms a not enought to transfer what you had come to 
believe. After 9/11 all the historical stratas were violented and 
inverted, and that updates any human existence. What your are 
experimenting is what Guattari used to call micro-fascism, and that is 
some how logical if you include yourself and your own identity on 
jewish history, which had become the most violented.
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University of Western Sydney

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