Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 00:49:51 -0600 (CST) From: nairda oremor <oxanairda-AT-yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [BOU:] End of anti-Semitic list: My remark misunderstood Well, Glen, thanks for that... cheers Glen Fuller <g.fuller-AT-uws.edu.au> wrote: Jessica, if you believe Sokal's comments constitute an 'effective' critique then you should really question your scholarly practice. It is very 'effective', not in critiquing Guattari or anyone else, but in having people believe that it is in fact a critique in the first place. Sokal's writings are the equivalent of a schoolboy's immature finger pointing at something that they can not really grasp, but think would be worthy of pointing out to all their hyper-modernist, sons-of-the- enlightenment mates. I think Nadira was making a good point that _you_ should at least try to understand before so casually dismissing it on the grounds of someone else's 'charismatic' critique. On a related note about anti-semiticism. There is an event scarred into my memory forever and it involves an American exchange student that I once took a class with. Somehow questions of Jewish identity came up, I think it was because we were studying popular music and identity and the Prof was Jon Stratton. The American exchange student said something like "I am Jewish and I often feel people looking at me funny, even in Australia." Or something along those lines, nothing too explicit, just the implication of a subtle racism-cum-ethnocentricism. He couldn't come up with any concrete examples either. I found his logic very hard to follow. He was an American student with a questionable fashion sense and bright natural orange hair on exchange to Australian university. Did he really think people were looking at him funny because he was Jewish or because he looked and spoke like some weird American exchange student? Maybe he was taking all this talk about 'identity' too literally, as if it were a badge you wore and was recognised by everyone else? I am not sure, but I remember thinking it was a bloody bizaare thing to say. His misrecognition of reactions to him as a form of anti-semiticism were clearly wrong. However, what are the necessary conditions for someone for someone like Jessica or my American exchange student friend to understand behaviour through an antisemitic lense? The thing with the American exchange student occured a long time before 9/11, but maybe there is a basis for such micro-fascisms in some socially reproduced reactionary desire? Ciao, Glen. > Nadira > Take a look at Sokal's Intellectual Imposters, and see for yourself how effectively he brings down Guattari. So, do not try to argue with me by quoting from a bogus, fraudulant semi-writer. > > > > Jessica: > > Perhaps your terms a not enought to transfer what you had come to believe. After 9/11 all the historical stratas were violented and inverted, and that updates any human existence. What your are experimenting is what Guattari used to call micro-fascism, and that is some how logical if you include yourself and your own identity on jewish history, which had become the most violented. > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------ > Sign up for FREE email from Media Monitors Network (MMN) at http://www.mediamonitors.net > > > > > --- StripMime Warning -- MIME attachments removed --- > This message may have contained attachments which were removed. > > Sorry, we do not allow attachments on this list. > > --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- > text/html (html body -- converted) > --- > ********************************************************************** > Contributions: bourdieu-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu > Commands: majordomo-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu > Requests: bourdieu-approval-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu > > -- PhD Candidate Centre for Cultural Research University of Western Sydney Read my rants: http://glenfuller.blogspot.com/ ********************************************************************** Contributions: bourdieu-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu Commands: majordomo-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu Requests: bourdieu-approval-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Todo lo que quieres saber de Estados Unidos, América Latina y el resto del Mundo. Visíta Yahoo! Noticias. --- StripMime Warning -- MIME attachments removed --- This message may have contained attachments which were removed. Sorry, we do not allow attachments on this list. --- StripMime Report -- processed MIME parts --- multipart/alternative text/plain (text body -- kept) text/html --- ********************************************************************** Contributions: bourdieu-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu Commands: majordomo-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu Requests: bourdieu-approval-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu
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