From: "Ja'far Railton" <railton-AT-dial.pipex.com>
Subject: Re: Luba and Liano
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 1998 12:14:07 +0100



"And yet I'm so talkative myself that I don't see how one could accuse me of
denying language and power (Soft Subversions, p.19)."

I don't think that the escape from semiotic subjugation entails the phantasy
of anhililating language as such. Semiotic subjugation arises through
extra-linguistic means (a-signifying practices?). The semiotic is in tandem
with the lingustic (symbolic) and organizes it, orders it in relation to
formations of power (controlling desire). Its not what you say, but who you
think you are when you're saying it and how that translates into a gesture.

"...one can hardly imagine not teaching children to write or to recognize
linguistic traffic signs. What matters is whether one uses this semiotic
apprenticeship to bring together power and the semiotic subjugation of the
individual, or something else. What school does is not to transmit
information; but impose a semiotic modelling on the body. And that is
political. One must start modelling people in a way that ensures their
semiotic receptiveness to the system if one wants them to accept the
alienations of the bureaucratic capitalist-socialist system. Otherwise they
would not be able to work in factories or offices; they woud have to be sent
away to asylums or universities (p. 22)"

As for feral children...

-----Original Message-----
From: Sandra Kaji-Ogrady <ogrady-AT-deakin.edu.au>
To: deleuze-guattari-AT-lists.village.Virginia.EDU
<deleuze-guattari-AT-lists.village.Virginia.EDU>
Date: 18 June 1998 7:03
Subject: Re: Luba and Liano


>>It intrigues me that so many logophiliacs and others who love the talking
>>space of the net would yearn for a pre-linguistic realm and fantasize
>>about feral children able to 'escape semiotic subjugation'