File spoon-archives/deleuze-guattari.archive/deleuze-guattari_1998/deleuze-guattari.9810, message 12


Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 16:58:58 +0100
From: Daniel Haines <daniel-AT-tw2.com>
Subject: Re: Rhizo-event-Matic 


Unleesh-AT-aol.com wrote:
> 
> " do you perhaps mean does rhizomatic analysis pass through
> intensive thresholds?? if so, then i reckon YES! "
> 
> let's talk about some of these intensive thresholds ... where does a system
> turn?
> 
> I think often we begin in a kind of vague descriptive style when we approach
> these questions.


i think the question you ask is very interesting; perhaps even, for me,
the only question worth asking...

but at the same time, it is a very difficult question to answer.

when i mention intensive thresholds and someone asks me what the hell
i'm talking about, i usually talk about phase transitions, giving the
example of boiling water - at a certain point, the whole system changes
radically- goes through a threshold - and energy is lost that won't be
recovered - it is one-directional change, irrecoverable change...the
water starts to boil.

that's kind of easy to grasp, and has a sort of non-subjectivity to it. 

but when it comes to the kind of thresholds that involve individual
perception, consciousness, shifts of perspective, limits, becoming etc.-
which seem to me to be what you are asking  about - then you are thrown
back onto a weak subjective appeal which relies on other people having
had a similar experience -- which they may not of.

i know a lot of people get really wound up when you say this sort of
thing, and accusations of elitism of exclusivism start to fly, but i
think the kind of thresholds you seem to be asking about are things you
experience or you don't, you know about or you don't... 

this is NOT to say they are inaccesible to anyone, only that without
having had this sort of experience you can't understand the things
people say about it. because it's hard to articulate and outside of
articulation (!), and because it's hard to relate any experience that is
alien to someone.

this is a conclusion i have ome over some time, and i wondered what you
- or anyone - thought about this? i don't mean to sound melancholy and
i'm not putting some bullshit "we can never know other minds" (yawn)
philosphical move on you... as ever, i was "just wondering"


dan h.



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