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Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 22:20:10 +0000
From: Chris <christopher.mcmahon-AT-jcu.edu.au>
Subject: Re: Dancing Body Without Organs?


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Dear Eduardo,

Well remembered. But I think we are all, here at least, generally aware of the
ideological baggage that "evolution" has been made to carry? I have a friend who
is a quite brilliant genetic biologist (at Stanford now), he says that the idea
of a destiny or a movement to higher (or even more complex) forms makes him
laugh. He said to me: what is the definition of complexity? Is a sea of
molecules floating around more or less complex than a human brain? Which has
more possible relations, more moving parts, etc. Good obs. By the way, he is a
lover of Kant. He is of the opinion that scientists, in general, don't see
evolution in that way - in the way you mention, which is a popular notion. His
feel for evolution is flattened out, rationalised, technical, has little or no
time for moral values. There is no logical reason for the universe being the way
it is. What is the logical necessity of Downs syndrome, for e.g.(?), its just a
fact. Even less does the universe have a moral necessity, a moral logic. He is
also quite convinced of the veracity of Hume's division of the indicative and
the imperative.

The real question is whether a BwO is made via selective processes that are
statistical or whether a BwO is found, discovered, by taking a non statistical
line, or if that line is merely probable/improbable etc. Locate yourself on a
plane of the strata, feel about [sic]. Is this an "evolutionary" process (i.e.
one that deals in mechnics of something like mutation and natural selection) or
some other sort of process?

- Chris

Eduardo Simonini Lopes wrote:

> Unleesh-AT-aol.com , wrote:
> >" BWO is a war against evolution,"
> >
> >How could you possibly war against evolution?
> **************
>
> Well, the BWO is an element of immanence. Evolution is an element os the
> transcendent conception of the world.
> The war against evolution is too a war agaist hierarchies of all kinds.
> When we talk about evolution we are speaking about a system where the future
> is better than the past. Use these kinds of comparative terms is to register
> the things and makes bodys full of organs.
> The BWO is pure flux, but not evolution... in the flux there isn't the
> concepts of "better" or "worse" or "beautiful" or "ugly",..., there is just
> the intensity which create and destroy universes...
>
> (sorry my poor english)
>
> Eduardo - Brasil
> -----Mensagem original-----
> De: Unleesh-AT-aol.com <Unleesh-AT-aol.com>
> Para: deleuze-guattari-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu
> <deleuze-guattari-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu>
> Data: Terça-feira, 13 de Outubro de 1998 14:48
> Assunto: Re: Re: Dancing Body Without Organs?
>
> >" BWO is a war against evolution,"
> >
> >How could you possibly war against evolution? That would be to privilege
> the
> >present term, or to privilege some term somewhere. Rather, perhaps its a
> >matter of shifting evolution's terms, making evolution less linear and more
> >transversal, making the aesthetics of selection more marvelous. Since when
> >would the BwO have any problems with Proteus?



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