Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 13:09:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Crosby <crosby_m-AT-rocketmail.com> Subject: Re: Zourabichvili on Myth of Collective Intelligence Paul wrote: "could you hint at how I get audio and video plug-ins? I know in principle that they can be downloaded from the net. And which part of the disk would i download them to?!!!? I can probably discover all this at uni but.....it all takes time." Alas, my job title is 'computer specialist', but I'm more involved with the abstract or functional machines that execute upon them (some that gulp data streams from the world of production and flash back overcoded indexes of consumption) than with the nuts and bolts of network connection. I rely on my employer for access to the Net and have to huddle behind rules and firewalls. The fellow in the next cubicle was just this morning trying to install some software to access radio stations from the Net but it seems our local network won't allow it - they don't want all this audio and video streaming across their gateways, using bandwidth and distracting people from their work. Hopefully the universities are more open. So, I am very much a latecomer to DetG, very much an amateur at this philosophy 'stuff', not even having access to an academic library, and greatly appreciate all these references, excerpts and translations; thanks, Mark Oh, if anyone IS interested, Bruno Latour's web site is loaded with texts available online: (see http://www.ensmp.fr/~latour/index.html ) "To Modernize or to Ecologize, that is the Question", "On interobjectivity", "Did Ramses II Die of Tuberculosis? On the partial existence of existing and non-existing objects", "How to be Iconophilic in Art, Science and Religion", "Do you believe in reality? News from the Science War Front Line" (préface of Pandora's Hope), "Trains of thoughts, Formalism and the Fifth Dimension", "Stengers' Shibboletth" (préface Isabelle Stengers, Power and Invention), "A dialog with Richard Powers in Honor of HAL", "On ne peut rien contre la fatalité des faits", are just the newer articles available. Also, enjoyed the references to Pierre Lévy (Ron Day's comments from last week especially). Speaking of flow.. (slapping my forehead) I just realized that the Levy piece I came across on the Web back in July (and cited a few lines from to this list) was called "Collective Intelligence and its Objects: Many-to-Many Communication in a Meaning World". (It was also in English, but I didn't bookmark it and now can't find it again!) And, of course, Lévy's book is _Collective Intelligence: Mankind's Emerging World in Cyberspace_.. Perhaps (part of) the Myth is that these 'objects' of Lévy's collective intelligence, like the ball in a soccer game that Lévy mentioned (like the economic indexes I build as a trade), are too mechanical rather than machinic (if I'm using the terms correctly), not really responsive in the sense of Latour's "non-human actors", which are able to change 'on their own' in response to human and other interactions? Oh dear, have I just spent the entire afternoon rereading all this Whiteheadian stuff I don't yet understand, and many of these Latour papers that I do?! "Do you believe in reality?" I think that's my favorite (about transcendental Egos and brains-in-vats and social filters and Postmodern versus Non-modern ) and I've got to go now.. bye _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free -AT-yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
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