Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 09:34:56 -0500 From: pierre cyr <pbcyr-AT-auburn.campus.mci.net> Subject: Re: how the real world became that punk-o-lantern smile! Tim Dennis wrote: > > where could i find that nietzsche passage? > > thanks > > Daniel Haines wrote: > > > Jon Rubin wrote: > > > > > Yeah, but Baudrillard just nicked this from Nietzsche's "How the Real > > > World Finally Became a Myth" (I think thats its title - near enough) and > > > made it less funny - which is my main objection, though if you only find > > > it "sort of useful" (simulation of use?) maybe there is another... > > > J > > > > when it comes to the whole postmodern/ signs/ baudrillard area, i think > > that the passage in Nietzsche you mention is more interesting than > > almost anything else I've read! the clarity with which he breaks down > > the logic of negation is really incredible. from memory (and not with > > particular clarity!)it runs something like > > > > de-value lived existence / affirm an unlived-unlivable existence as > > desirable/negate the lived as therefore undesirable/ deny the lived > > "reality" because of its undesirability/ affirm the unlived as the > > "real" lived... make the unlived the lived, and the lived therefore > > unlived, impossible to live - ! > > > > ( tell desire what it desires is no good/beat it into phantasy/ tell it > > it lacks and always will, that it cannot be satisfied/ tell it desire > > and everything it desires is false and treacherous therefore not real/ > > tell it only phantasy is the reality of desire - and that phantasy is > > impossible, is always unsatisfying - but desirable...) > > > > to which i suppose we should add - and we'll make sure you make sure you > > are living/desiring what we approve of... > > > > there's a fabulous passage in Zarathustra where N. parodies Schopenhauer > > as a prophet of doom, and he delivers a grim picture of the state of the > > world - it is very pm/Baudrillard... and Z's reaction is, i think, very > > instructive ... > > > > dan h. > > > > -- > > Ware ware Karate-do o shugyo surumonowa, > > Tsuneni bushido seishin o wasurezu, > > Wa to nin o motte nashi, > > Soshite tsutomereba kanarazu tasu. > > > > We who study Karate-do, > > Should never forget the spirit of the samurai, > > With peace, perseverance and hard work, > > We will reach our goal without failure. Tim, You can find 'How the Real World Finally Became a Fable' in Nietzsche's *Twilight of the Idols*. You may or may not also be interested in Derrida's reading of this passage - particularly the bit about truth/the real world/the idea becoming a woman - in his book *Spurs: Nietzsche's Styles*, which also looks at the question of simulation. Sin-cyr-ly, Pierre Cyr pbcyr-AT-auburn.campus.mci.net
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