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Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 16:08:23 -0400 (EDT)
From: Inna Runova Semetsky <irs5-AT-columbia.edu>
Subject: Re:extend/memory/...


Hi! 
Deleuze mentioned the memory of the future somewhere - i guess talking
about three syntheses of time, have to check what bk. Re immanence - in
What is Phil - he and guattari define the plane of immanence as consisting
of many weird experiences - memory fits here very well.
I am a new addition to the list btw - nice talking to you all.
Inna. 


On Thu, 22 Oct 1998, Daniel Haines wrote:

> Unleesh-AT-aol.com wrote:
> > 
> > "maybe - or are certain memories like traps, holding intensities in
> > place, blocking them off in the past, stopping them from flowing
> > further... lodged or captured?"
> > 
> > Wow ... this is really powerful ... let's develop this line a little further
> > ... this seems very potent ...
>  
> i've been pondering this all week now and i still don't know what to say
> in response!  i'll just have to see what i have to say...
> 
>  i'm very interested in the parts of d&g where they elabourate ideas
> about memory/forgeting and notions of identity... 
> 
> when i wrote the above i thought had in mind the concepts in "becoming
> intense..." in the "memories and becomings, points and blocs" section...
> but looking at it again, i don't know if i did really... tricky
> memories...
> 
> i guess i see  memories as an extensive sequence/order sedimented out of
> intensive continuums/experiences in the  double-articulations of the
> ego/stratified self. 
> 
> there's a kind of incommensurable gulf between intense, immanent
> experience of the present moment and what can be laid down/stored for
> future recall as an articulated "memory". 
> 
> here i mean "memory" as self-narrative - but memory is also something
> that opens onto intensity, has the potential to explode a structured
> "narrative" of the past by  producing new intensities in the present: 
> something that passes beyond ( or through) memory into it's BwO... but
> that is no longer "remembering" ... 
> 
> i think there's an important distinction to make between "reliving" a
> strong experience emotionally and thereby having a fairly intense
> experience and any kind of line of flight through memory into a BwO. 
> getting caught in your own emotional repressions and acting through the
> same, tired, stored up emotions can be very powerful, but it is closed
> in on itself,  a trap - often a black hole...  
> 
> memory can open up lines of flight only where it is a forgetting - a
> forgetting of the self, the ego, which liberates the production of
> intensities in the present, and produces a new experience which extends
> a particular trajectory into the unknown...  can't remember where, but
> there's some stuff in atp about forgetting...
> 
> trees are structures built on their own stratified past, on their
> organic  memories, whereas rhizomatic plants shoot off in new directions
> and are careless of the organic "memory" they leave behind them. 
> filial ties are rooted into the past and need to remember the past, but
> alliances work by forgetting - forgetting what is unecessary or a
> hindrence to the alliance!
> 
> i think part of the thinking behind the stuff in Anti-Oedipus is coming
> from this idea; the passage about (misquote)"where psycho-analysis says
> 'stop! you've found yourself', schizo-analysis says 'keep going!' "  and
> the ideas about extending out along lines of flight away from the
> sedimented center; i guess i take a lot of the import of this to be that
> Oedipus is the one who remembers, oedipus in us in is us as the act of
> remembering (as an ego).  
> 
> they extend here, maybe, nietzsche's words about how it is a massive
> vanity on the part of the ego to imagine we are responsible for who we
> are, because we are shaped by a millon chance occurences way outside our
> control - and this vanity is what makes us into slaves, always
> "remembering" what we have done, judging ourselves as responsible,
> making ourselves guilty.... the bad conscience, resentiment, oedipus,
> all memory's hooks....
> 
> hmmn... that's developed things a little way, i hope. 
> 
> what do you think?
> 
> dan h.
> 
> -- 
> Ware ware Karate-do o shugyo surumonowa,
> Tsuneni bushido seishin o wasurezu,
> Wa to nin o motte nashi,
> Soshite tsutomereba kanarazu tasu.
> 
> We who study Karate-do,
> Should never forget the spirit of the samurai,
> With peace, perseverance and hard work,
> We will reach our goal without failure.
> 
> 
> 


   

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