Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 16:08:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Inna Runova Semetsky <irs5-AT-columbia.edu> Subject: Re:extend/memory/... Hi! Deleuze mentioned the memory of the future somewhere - i guess talking about three syntheses of time, have to check what bk. Re immanence - in What is Phil - he and guattari define the plane of immanence as consisting of many weird experiences - memory fits here very well. I am a new addition to the list btw - nice talking to you all. Inna. On Thu, 22 Oct 1998, Daniel Haines wrote: > Unleesh-AT-aol.com wrote: > > > > "maybe - or are certain memories like traps, holding intensities in > > place, blocking them off in the past, stopping them from flowing > > further... lodged or captured?" > > > > Wow ... this is really powerful ... let's develop this line a little further > > ... this seems very potent ... > > i've been pondering this all week now and i still don't know what to say > in response! i'll just have to see what i have to say... > > i'm very interested in the parts of d&g where they elabourate ideas > about memory/forgeting and notions of identity... > > when i wrote the above i thought had in mind the concepts in "becoming > intense..." in the "memories and becomings, points and blocs" section... > but looking at it again, i don't know if i did really... tricky > memories... > > i guess i see memories as an extensive sequence/order sedimented out of > intensive continuums/experiences in the double-articulations of the > ego/stratified self. > > there's a kind of incommensurable gulf between intense, immanent > experience of the present moment and what can be laid down/stored for > future recall as an articulated "memory". > > here i mean "memory" as self-narrative - but memory is also something > that opens onto intensity, has the potential to explode a structured > "narrative" of the past by producing new intensities in the present: > something that passes beyond ( or through) memory into it's BwO... but > that is no longer "remembering" ... > > i think there's an important distinction to make between "reliving" a > strong experience emotionally and thereby having a fairly intense > experience and any kind of line of flight through memory into a BwO. > getting caught in your own emotional repressions and acting through the > same, tired, stored up emotions can be very powerful, but it is closed > in on itself, a trap - often a black hole... > > memory can open up lines of flight only where it is a forgetting - a > forgetting of the self, the ego, which liberates the production of > intensities in the present, and produces a new experience which extends > a particular trajectory into the unknown... can't remember where, but > there's some stuff in atp about forgetting... > > trees are structures built on their own stratified past, on their > organic memories, whereas rhizomatic plants shoot off in new directions > and are careless of the organic "memory" they leave behind them. > filial ties are rooted into the past and need to remember the past, but > alliances work by forgetting - forgetting what is unecessary or a > hindrence to the alliance! > > i think part of the thinking behind the stuff in Anti-Oedipus is coming > from this idea; the passage about (misquote)"where psycho-analysis says > 'stop! you've found yourself', schizo-analysis says 'keep going!' " and > the ideas about extending out along lines of flight away from the > sedimented center; i guess i take a lot of the import of this to be that > Oedipus is the one who remembers, oedipus in us in is us as the act of > remembering (as an ego). > > they extend here, maybe, nietzsche's words about how it is a massive > vanity on the part of the ego to imagine we are responsible for who we > are, because we are shaped by a millon chance occurences way outside our > control - and this vanity is what makes us into slaves, always > "remembering" what we have done, judging ourselves as responsible, > making ourselves guilty.... the bad conscience, resentiment, oedipus, > all memory's hooks.... > > hmmn... that's developed things a little way, i hope. > > what do you think? > > dan h. > > -- > Ware ware Karate-do o shugyo surumonowa, > Tsuneni bushido seishin o wasurezu, > Wa to nin o motte nashi, > Soshite tsutomereba kanarazu tasu. > > We who study Karate-do, > Should never forget the spirit of the samurai, > With peace, perseverance and hard work, > We will reach our goal without failure. > > >
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