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From: "Jon Rubin" <j_rubin-AT-hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: incomprehensible, uninvestigated, tropes
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 01:57:45 PST



Dear Soup,

Do you really mean this?????

Philosophy is not likely to advance where
its practitioners protect & repeat one another's absurd
or incomprehensible sentences.

Regards,               Soup

How un-Deleuzoguattarian!!



Don't really see the difference between practitioners repeating the 
incomprehensible and Rorty's congenial dialogue - neither have ever 
produced a single concept.



_Notes for an ivestiagation of tropes_ ?
Deleuze wrote that the Stoics were the first to invent a philosophy of 
language with the embracing of the Idea of incorporeal transformations 
but does anybody have any ideas how to fit the Greek and especially 
Roman studies of Rhetoric as a how-to manual of intensive crowd control 
into a philosophy of language. 
It needs to be really specific - transforming crowd of 100 in demos not 
the same as transforming crowd of thousands at Neuremberg not the same 
as Levi's advert on TV, on billboard

Is it a case of channeling, or producing?
transforming or creating
- and if the unconscious knows no lack, knows nothing, if desire is 
purely productive then how can you be made to desire anything? (desire 
still inevitably being used in two different ways?)

is a "trope" an order word, or an assemblage in particular regimes of 
signs?

component or assemblage?

is a "trope" usefully separable from its environment or are they only 
studiable "in the wild" ?



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