Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 21:21:07 -0500 (EST)
From: Spoon Collective <spoons-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu>
Subject: re: Personal Responsibility (fwd)




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Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 16:07:23 -0600
From: Sandi & Scott Spaeth <vespags-AT-netscad.net>
To: owner-anarchy-list-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu
Subject: re: Personal Responsibility

At 07:48 PM 10/31/98 +0100, MANi wrote:

>I agree with Jeremy here. Personal responsibility doesn't exist. For
>everything we do, we have reasons... these reasons don't come out of
>nowhere, they are give biologically or socially. If someone likes to walk
>around, kill other humans and drink their blood, it is not *his* fault, it
>is the fault of society which obviously failed to give him a reason to stop
>this behaviour.
>

Then why are you here?  Why do you care, or better, how can you care about
what form of social system exists?  What difference does it make, you have
no choice in the matter.  This silly computer model of the brain (which is
essentially what you're both arguing) is wrong.  It isn't simply a matter
of garbage in garbage out, the brain can and will give unpredictable
results from enviromental inputs.  Why?  Because by whatever mechanisms we
still don't understand, the brain is a thing which can frequently act on
itself without external stimulous.  We can think, and in thinking we can
change our opinions 180 degrees without *ANY* outside influences.  That's
not to say that there are no outside influences, but it is to say that
those outside influences are not the sole shapers of human opinions.
Unless the two of you have never changed your minds simply because upon
*reflection* you realized you were wrong, then you've seen what I'm talking
about.  

cheers,
Scott     
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