Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 11:15:02 +0800
From: Chris Gordan <egordan-AT-alpha1.curtin.edu.au>
Subject: Re: destiny or desire?




Vadim Verenits wrote:

> Take it more serious ...and it will work.By the way, what kind of Tarot do
> you play with???....you know there are plenty of them
>

Well, actually - it already works. (as I said I don't consider play to be devoid of
seriousness). Or do you mean it will 'seriously' reveal for me my pre-defined destiny?
Sorry, I don't believe in pre-defined destiny - I beleive in agency and will and desire and
life as something to be lived/created.  I find the concept that life is already mapped out
for me by some transcendent force - well, silly. My life isn't pre-ordained; it is however,
contingent on the environment I live in.  On the other hand I think it's an interesting idea
to think about - why do we (humans) desire gods and goddesses in whom we invest the power to
define our lives in symbols?  Are we all just too scared to face our own part in the creation
of life?

Yes I do know there are plenty of different packs.  I have a copy of the Mystic Tarot
depicting the images/stories of Greek mythology.  I've also played with lots of other packs.

>
>
> Well you are lucky enough not to get into Freud`s hands ....

But you just couldn't resist extending his fingers anyway huh?

> if it was so ,
> he would help you to unveil your subconsious urges, lets say you play with
> Tarot mainly due to that fact that you rebel  against perverted motivation
> to play with your ...erm...membrum virile... and avoid it by the
> replacement of one fracture of your consiousness by another.Sorry, if it
> is not funny.
>

  ha ha!  yes it is funny -  I find it highly amusing!  For one "membrum virile"!  do you
mean my virile member? Can't you say it - you mean my prick/penis - yeh?  Ah - so once a gain
a freudian system creates a subject that is purely masculine!  (or are you now suggesting
penis envy?) ho hum ho hum ho hum!   I really feel for men who read Freud - it must be that
much more difficult to see what a load of crap it is -- mapping as it does a repressed
psychology to the material formation of men's bodies.      Perhaps this is why D&G see a
necessity to go through a becoming-woman?    Try escaping from the subject that defines you
as lack(ing).  You see, this is just the same as the notion that the Tarot can reveal for you
your hidden destiny -- Freud can reveal for you your hidden desires (which are of coarse
always the same in the end).  What's the difference between hiding behind the 'phallus' and
hiding behind 'fate and destiny"?  (from one back-hole to another I'd say).
 ha ha ha ha! nice try, but I'm not that naive!  My rebellion is fully conscious and fully
directed against the hands that would wrap me up in the fantasies of men in denial of their
own bodies!

Chris