Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 15:34:56 +0200 (EET DST)
From: Vadim Verenits <grimnes-AT-physic.ut.ee>
Subject: Marx Unveiled versus Rhizoromantic Rhetorics of Unleashed Beast(aka An(ti)a(c)r(h)c(r)h(i)st



CraP!
At first some bullshit for short intro (you may not to read it)
Last week i spent some time by reading yours messages , posted  in  a
previous month and had a fun.Here it goes: in first row your attempt to
put under*mashine gun fire* notions of homeopathy and quantum theory ,spoiled
and misinterpetated  by
your own(neurotic?scizophrenic?)attitude ; then  "practical rhizome"
and
"scizothermodynamics"came.You had defenced them with "incisive wit" and
"intellengence" until the list`s mainstream turned to opposite direction ;
the  neurotic essence of your mind appealed to us; but in vain;the only
thing to remain was the invalidation of others intellectual ability and
incoherence, irrelevant critics,sophisticated rhetorics,
prejudices,mocking , provocation and *loudblast_of_laughter*at others
faces.Do you consider yourself as a kind of *rhizonophrenic* prophet? Are
rhizomes easier to believe into than others aspects of either D solo or
D&G works.They are dead;so let them rest in peace;take a practical,
empirical stand!You had made a great cailms ,but in spite of your
impressive brilliant mind and erudition , they failed (mainly because of
unfounded statements and judgments, though i accepted some of
them);balancing between the appealing revelations (with a hidden grin
within it, f.e:"I would say that Everything is a Medication, and
Everything has "side" effects") and a such a majestic expression as "the
reek of menatl putrefication"- do you consider IT as the unavoidable step
FOR becoming an anarchistic lawyer (better:judical approven Antichrist)
I appreciate yours *profound avergeness,brought to us a collective
depression* ,yours subtile sence of humour ,yours sacred rage against 
"the bunch of wanckers trying to abstract and sophisticate D&G".
Your disgust!DISGUST!!!!! yours desperate passionate seek for wisdom
LOL!
"Oh, come on, Dan, I was just suggesting that we could play with this joke
(that I did not write), fuck around with it, twist the terms around,
imagine
different families / communes / tribes"
Prosper!become a
clandestine!construct rhizome everywhere!fuck within
your 
heterosexual victorian unit!commit the incestous sins, conclude endogamic
contract!In case you are  desemenated castrate ,victim of
genetics tricks,sterilization
and enviroment`s polution,CLONE yourself!The only receipt is to
MULTIPLY!multiply somehow!multiply!multiply !multiply !multiply !multiply
!multiply !multiply !multiply !multiply !multiply !multiply !multiply
!multiply !multiply !multiply !multiply !multiply !multiply !multiply 
Be Anarchist,The Foretold Beast Of Doomsday!NOT one BUT MANY!
P.S:Do not take it serious -"the same old crap"

Lets make Marx twisted&shaked in his grave
 On
Wed, 6 Jan 1999 Unleesh-AT-aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 1/5/99 4:39:39 PM Pacific Standard Time,
> N.E.Widder-AT-lse.ac.uk writes:
> 
> << critical of the Marxist notions you are invoking >>
> OK.ok:Lets fuck marxist notions; being myself a Postsoviet, i.e living
in postmarxist space , i have a right to judge it; i can even declare that
marxist ideology is a tricky
buisness.Until i got 13 years old  , all my life i had been infected by
the marxist-leninist dogma.I hate it thousand times more than any one of 
you.We  were given by hypocrices and lies in *kindergarden*;from the very
childhood we were told by fairy tales about "good old man Lenin", about
how my forefathers struggled against Tzar, gentry and exploiting class; we
were told how blood of our granfathers was shed upon earth.For small
children it was fairly a big impression......... no wonder  there are so
many schizos and totally scared people in our days .After that children
went to school and we were learned that party took a care of us,and would
always, whenever amad wherever take care of us!The next step of education
usualy caused the oppresive state of paranoia; we were told that there a
lot of enemies of USSR , whose main ambition is to conquer our
motherland;even more ; there are a lot of spies, collaborators of western 
intelligent services, agents of influence , the betrayes etc; soviet
people should always aware of them and  write a report to KGB on them.
As result - the formation of perfect blend of semidiot and semi-slave.

 


> How interesting!
 That you classify these as "Marxist" notions. How convenient
> for establishment intellectuals to have this one signifier, "Marx",
For me "Marx" is not signifier, rather on contrary iconical signified.
because for sovietians the word "Marx" was always a substitue for his
ideology;it is icon because when i see this word , the first thing to come
to my mind is a big portree within frame of oakwood.The signifier for
"marxism"(at  least in soviet consiousness) is his "beard".For *
working class* there is no Marx as such;in fact he reduced to his beard.

 with which
> they can compress hundreds of years of working class thought and critique,
Hahahahahahaah
it is funny to hear someone speak about working class thought and
critique.I used to be a worker myself; all workers i  worked with 
,mared
only by alchool and female parts; i did not mention any trace of any
thought in their faces; they were simple joe_guys,drinking a glass of beer
with buddies somwhere in the lowest sort of that bear the proud title
"pub".
> thousands
Really?Why not a millions?:)
 of years of critique of ruling establishments and the state. This
> signifier "Marx" helps them get all this critique under control
Whom do you  refer here?Working class?*Ruling establishments*?Pornographic
rotten intellectuals? 
, to feel it's
> in their grip, like it's their property,
Is the right on semiotization of Marx  of the same kind of property as
 real estate?
 like they're the exclusive
> proprietors
of what?of critique?"of working  class submission`s   tool"
, and if they just deal with this one little handful they call
> "Marx"
Erm,in other words:
"Marx the sickToy "is a mere capitalistic dildo to help working class to
reach an intensive state of climax ( a far as it is known , according to
Reich , the unability of workers to reach an orgasm after hardworking day
lead them to revolution.
Have i paraphrased it correctly?
If it is so , then LOL
 
, then the whole thing will go away.
Where?

 But unfortunately, living in
> hierarchical social systems,
Do you want to live in more chaotic systems than hierarchy???Can you
propose more practical than commonly established structures?
Remember , in case if you understand Marx as anarchist, you are wrong!

try to study anarchistic trend of communsim by reading Prudon and
Kropotkin.

 the critique of those hierarchies will continue
> no matter what sleight-of-hand intellectuals engage in.
Well i agree with it but i would like to add that the critique of those
systems still continues only because THESE sleight of hand intellectauls
engaged.

 Besides, the fact
> remains that even "Marx" as a signifier remains an open and problematic
> signifier not so easy to shelve and put away.
> 
As i mentioned above for many "victims of communism" "Marx" does not exist 
without connotation of "state machinery", perceipted through the mirror of 
his signifiers (those are at highest grade attributes and treats of his
physical and mental constitution.
> (un)leash The Beast
> 
P.S
I agree with Dan:
a schizo on a stroll is better than a neurotic in a
graduate seminar room ...

Vadim
_________


He drained the life of my haunted soul
Pretended to be my friend
Acted like my brother
Who currently lives in Hell

Sacrificed I am by the Devil who I once believed
Hail Satan, praise the Lord and be deceived

Strength in mortal man lays in the part of denial
Feeds throughout the lands, misled by evil hands

"Lost sons, follow me on the final ride!"

What a rush, I feel like I'm a born again Christian
"So you are my friend with the Cross reversed...

...BUT SO WHAT ,YOU LOOK LIKE A MILLION LAUGHS!!!!!
LOL!