Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1999 14:24:09 +0000
From: Daniel Haines <daniel-AT-tw2.com>
Subject: Re: Kidneys


reading your post it strikes me that this hystyeria about organ theft is
about as far away from the concept of BwO as you could get.

--"oh my god, they're stealing my organ... making my organism
incomplete...stop! police!"

- there are no organs in a BwO, but not because someone's stolen them!

dan h.99

Chris Gordan wrote:
> 
> I'm jumping in,sorry if I'm missing something (I've been away and haven't been
> following the list).
> I've heard this story before, and if I remember correctly I think it turned out
> to be some sort of hoax/joke that circulated on the net a few years ago.  I'd
> read it in the context of a creative (style?), but paranoiac expression about the
> concerns/fears etc people in general feel in the face of the concept of organ
> markets.  It's possibly plausable to anyone who is in the habit of bowing down to
> a transcendental concept of medical science/possibility, (it probably came out in
> some trashy sf novel? maybe?).  On the other hand, to understand what and how
> organ markets are actually developing, one might beg the question of how these
> paranoiac divertions work to re-territorialize the issue (?) by personalizing it
> in a kind of horror genre of/against the 'self' -- and ignoring the reality of
> peoples who live within  an environment/a life where donating a kidney is always
> an option in the drive to survive???! Could it be that it is just too difficult
> to contemplate difference? The fear of what? Discovering the fact of inequality,
> perhaps?
> 
> Chris
> 
> John Appleby wrote:
> 
> > On Thu, 7 Jan 1999, Charles Gavette wrote:
> >
> > > If you had the money and needed an organ, how much nicer would it be to
> > > take it without comitting murder?
> >
> > You would probably be unable to carry out the harvesting yourself and so
> > would pay somebody else. If you were that somebody, would you not be more
> > interested in not leaving witnesses?
> >
> > By the way, if you really think that these things were being stolen on
> > demand, would there not be a problem with tissue copatibility? Perhaps the
> > woman who drugs these people carries out the relevant tests beforehand?
> >
> > > Refresh yourselves in anatomy, philosophers. Remember that the adrenals are
> > > located on top of the kidneys, and this makes it difficult to harvest
> > > without a trauma response.
> >
> > Refresh yourself in reality Charles. Remember that it is going to be
> > damned tricky to remove organs from a body which is submerged up to the
> > neck in ice.
> >
> > I'm not saying that organs are never stolen, but you'd have to be pretty
> > naive to believe a story like this.
> >
> > Interestingly enough, there was a report on an organ theft in yesterday's
> > Guardian about the prosecution of two men in Samarkand for murdering an
> > eight-old-girl and harvesting her liver, lungs, kidneys, and stomach.
> >
> > Now if you are in the organ harvesting business, would not this be the way
> > to go? It seems much more efficient to me.
> >
> > But then again, perhaps the 'religious-medical-industrial complex' is
> > using these kidney removal exercises to train medical students and the
> > paramedics who rescue the victims. Is that paranoid enough for you?
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > John



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