From: "michelle phil lewis king" <kinglewis-AT-hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: dialectic(can philosophers read deleuze?)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 1999 13:45:49 PST


M wrote;In fact Deleuze takes place 'beyond' Derrida.
>> He is a Bataille.
>
>


>M. wrote


>Okay, so you're going for Derrida's re-construction
>of Bataille and want to extend it to Deleuze, since
>it would seem to exempt Deleuze from having to make
>sense or read Hegel fairly.  Frankly, before buying
>JD's "we must deconstruct the philosophy in order
>to save it", I'd prefer to let Deleuze speak for 
>himself and be tenable or untenable on his own terms.
>And I'd extend this courtesy to Bataille and Hegel
>as well.
>

 Well yes... but surely the whole question about 'having to make sense'
is what is put in question and is what attracts me like a moth to a 
flame in Bataille , Blanchot, Derrida and Deleuze at the moment in my 
reading. The question can philosophers read Deleuze wasn't an idle dig 
at Widder but a querry as to what reading might be.
Fine if for you it is an unproblematic activity where the sense 
prexists. No doubt,that's one kind of reading.

 You're right that at the moment I'm interested in  possible 
representations of Deleuze.. by Derrida, Kristeva and yes this is a 
dodgy activity..

>JD's "we must deconstruct the philosophy in order
>to save it",

where did he say this? 

 Yes, Bataille's 'transgression' does get a dismissal in Ao or Tp 
doesn't it. Now where was that?

 I think it fair enough to read Derrida's reading of Bataille's reading 
of Hegel.. as Klossowski points out in 'Nietzsche and the Viscious 
Circle'.. Bataille's understanding of Nietzsche's ignorance of Hegel's 
dialectic is crucial because it lets Nietzsche off the hook of the 
'common nature' of philosophy. Keeps him a stranger. Deleuze doesn't 
have this cop out.. he has to 'know' Hegel and  philosophy, he has to 
'share' hence his celebration of 'black humour'. Because this, according 
to Derrida/Bataille is a way out of Hegel's dull shadow. D+G do 
explicitly equate Hegel with the state.(TP)

>read Hegel fairly.

Seems you have a well developped  sense of 'fairness' and respect for 
the dead, musn't knock that.. I'll put you in charge of the library safe 
in such sane hands.     

Bataille's 'going beyond' is drawn by Derrida as a kind of writing and a 
kind of laughter.. I don't think I'm alone in considering that d+g wrote 
beyond the pale of conventional philosophy and its sense.. that they 
were writers in an extra sense... whose writings are full of humour. 


M wrote;In fact Deleuze takes place 'beyond' Derrida.
>> He is a Bataille.
>
ok.. I meant he is a battle.. lame I know.. also that he wrote in a way 
that derrida describes writing as.. as did Bataille.

>I'd prefer to let Deleuze speak for 
>himself 

he can't, he's dead.

phil.





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