Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 12:38:41 +0000
From: Daniel Haines <daniel-AT-tw2.com>
Subject: Re: Re : Ra: Ra : Re: Re : Ra:  destratify; cancer, schizophrenia, aids, osho


Jeanraiso-AT-aol.com wrote:
> 
> Daniel wrote:
> 
> << I think I have imagined a similar scene ---  but in mine our anthropoid
>  ancestor thought/said "I hope it wasn't my fault, who can I blame to
>  ease my own horror at death?"
> 
>  maybe I'm just too cynical...
> 
>  :-)
> 
>  dan h.  >>
> 
> Doesn't guilt suppose that there is already a sense of belonging to a
> community through symbolic mediation?
> 
> jean r.

perhaps - I intended my statement to be parallel with your "she is
dead", and to actually create the sense of community through its
enunciation (as a result of the distancing that is necessary for such a
statement to be made in the first place), though.

guilt as the symbolic mediator for society as such....

but I'm being satirical here; I don't know if we can "reverse engineer"
moments like this from our pre-history, however well we theorize...

having said that, I'm interested you choose death as such a definitive
moment in the dawning of self-consiousness... I'm sure this is right. 
and reflections, too, must have been very important: seeing your body
for the first time as a discrete unit must seal up you sense of self as
individual very powerfully... 

dan h.
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