Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 23:39:35 -0800 (PST)
From: Michael Rooney <rooney-AT-tiger.cc.oxy.edu>
Subject: RE: dialectic (can non-philosophers read?)




On Sat, 23 Jan 1999, michelle phil lewis king wrote:

> In molecular revolution he clearly seperates derrida's arche writing 
> from an arch writing subjegated to the signifying voice. He condemn that 
> servile arch writing.

Re-read the opening sections of "The Place of the
Signifier in the Institution".  Guattari clearly
criticizes Derrida's arche-ecriture as ahistorical.
If I had the text in front of me, I'd type it in.
Would someone like to verify this?


> >> He makes the same point as is made in A.O, that Imperial
> >> Representation is an arche-writing but not in Derrida's sense. 
> >
> >So d+g's concept of writing is not Derrida's.
> >Gee, what have I been saying in this discussion
> >all along?
> >  
> 
> They base the concept of primitive barbarian representation on Derrida's 
> 'writing' and seperate it from 'Imperial' representation.

You're avoiding the issue.  D&G (especially G.)
are critical of Derrida's notion of writing and
do not base their postulates of linguistics on it.


> >> > > But no this notional, superficial, figural writing
> >> > > is not M's thing.  He has to translate it into
> >> > > something acceptable to discourse and will only accept
> >> > > exchange as a discursive exchange of points. He can only
> >> > > trade conclusions.
> >> > > He cannot read it.
> >> >
> >> > How do you know I'm not?
> >> 
> >> If you can't accept it, you can't experience it thefore you can't 
> >> read it.
> >
> >There you go, using logic to supplant philosophy.
> 
> nope. talking to you does not supplant philosophy.

Thank the dog.  


> >I have notionally, superficially, figurally noted 
> >the similarity between your writing and the tedious
> >banalities of an ignorant academic bullshitting
> >his way through a Q&A session.  Now, if you can't
> >accept that, you can't experience it, and therefore
> >you cannot read it.  Q.E.D.
> >
> I can accept that you feel that way. I can experience it and I can read 
> it .

Likewise, I accept your reading, experience it,
and find it sorely wanting.


> Oh, the bigoted dull world of a micheal Q+A session.

Learn how to spell, moron.


Cordially,

M.