From: "Chris Gordan" <egordan-AT-cc.curtin.edu.au>
Subject: RE: becoming pregnant (colloquially)
Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 21:52:27 +0800



Hi Chris,
I am toying with this in some
way also by perhaps having a (historical?) movement to purely masculine
cloning?????? (That is, no woman to carry and nurture????? A facsist
homosexuality which is homophobia?????)

 o.k., see I'm really not convinced here either that a homosexual desire to
clone (reproduce) is fascist necessarily - of course for a man biologically
to give birth we would have to move beyond cloning and have either
artificial womb or what I would (futuristically ) guess some form of medical
intervention/ artificial placental assemblage to allow men to experience
pregnancy - and well, either way, I see no reason why a man cannot both
carry and nurture a child as well as a woman (I'm completely
anti-essentialist on this matter).  What I would hate to see is the same old
same old that happens (often) - (and I'm happy to be usurped on this
assumption) or is at least represented as such - when men take up
childrearing all the dilly dally women go running after them in support.
I'd like to see women step back and trust men to love children (and after
all there are plenty of women who don't 'automatically' baby love too) and
for men to see this kind of matriarchal intervention not as support but as
the condescending sexism that it is!!!  No different in terms of
sexist-condescension, for example, than men who just have to help you with
that power-drill when you're a woman!    I guess to some extent, as a single
parent, I would probably be as likely to find a male (homosexual or
otherwise) who was binging up a child alone more likely to be of a 'kind'
(at least on parenting issues) than I would a married mother.    (but I
ramble  - does this make any sense?)    I'm particularly unsure as to why
you would see such a desire as homophobic too???   I suspect we are just
viewing this whole thing from different images/imaginings/politics - but I'm
enjoying teasing out these kinds of ideas.

Chris g.