Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 00:59:29 -0400 (EDT)
From: caspar ghostl <ranciddungdust-AT-yahoo.ca>
Subject: Re: Valence


Still waters run deep deepest??
--- Ruth Chandler <R.Chandler-AT-ucc.ac.uk> wrote:
> Still what?
> 
> >>> Inna Runova Semetsky <irs5-AT-columbia.edu> 08/23
> 2:35 am >>>
> Ruth
> i relate very much to all the problems with
> being-becoming-woman in
> academia. Still....
> best
> inna
> On Wed, 22 Aug 2001, Ruth Chandler
> wrote:
> 
> > hi Inna,
> > no doubt he would but the NPC doesn't just
> campaign 'against' ( the NUS -national union of
> students does that!)  we generally act by providing
> repsonse to the various consultation documents
> around re potential changes in H.E e,g the
> repsective merits (or otherwise in my case!) of a
> national qualifications framework for Phds, or such
> dry, but politically crucial questions, like what is
> the best unit of assessment in the Research
> Assessment Exercise. Crucial, becuase, amongst other
> things, the funding basis forsome kinds of
> cross-disciplinary collaboration stands to
> dissappear if the cells are too large or if
> the'vocational' links between indistry too tightly
> drawn. knock it all you like but that illdefined
> 'space' called postgraduate research is the 
> becoming-woman of the research world and, with the
> current obstacles to access which exist, this is
> much more as an ephemeral 'point' than as a line of
> flight.
> > 
> > if it is 'anti-Deleuze and Guattari' to try and
> make a difference within these frameworks, to
> collect postgarduate views and opinions and to try
> and feed these into policies that affect us than
> 'guilty' (sic) as charged
> > 
> > Ruth.c
> > 
> > >>> Inna Runova Semetsky <irs5-AT-columbia.edu> 08/20
> 5:36 pm >>>
> > Ruth
> > deleuze would say i think that campaining AGAINST
> would somehow
> > reinforce that what you're campaning against. His
> politics would be to get
> > into existing wave, to get into the movement. I
> think conforming to
> > strict requirements --still able to fit one's
> radical topic into those
> > boundaries--- makes these boundaries stretch and
> expand. That's what
> > transgression is in my opinion.
> > inna
> > On Mon, 20 Aug 2001, Ruth Chandler wrote:
> > 
> > > Hi Inna, Paul
> > > 
> > > Congratulations to you both! it is very
> interesting to hear about the external examining -i
> still have this to come and, am expecting to be
> roasted over an open fire re the image of thought i
> have made!
> > > 
> > > do you have contact with any student bodies
> campaigning over fair examination procedures? if
> you, or anyone else on line, know of anything, it
> would be interesting to compare notes with the
> practices uk students, where they are represented,
> find unacceptable.( i belong to an organisation, the
> National Postagraduate Committee that campaigns and
> provides consultation on mots matters postgraduate
> in the uk) it would be good to check out the
> differences and similarities) the NPC, amonsgt other
> activities, collects horror stories and examples of
> what PGs think is 'good' practice ( and why) to try
> and feed a student driven agenda into the rapidly
> changing ground of the UK educational framework 
> > > 
> > > reply off list if you, or anyone else, are
> interested in giving your perspective on the viva or
> on any other issue pertaining to PG education. 
> > > 
> > > Complaints procedures are top of the list at the
> moment-the UK has two external systems here, crudely
> put, the courts and something known as the
> visitorial system-both of these can only be used
> after all internal proceedures have been followed
> and, quite often the supervisor is the first port of
> call ( bit tricky if thats the problem!) the visitor
> (in the case of my HEI this happens to be someone
> appointed to act for Elizabeth  2) is very
> unsatisfactory and considerble effort has been put
> in to demonstrate that this contravenes the new
> human rights legislation. There are strong moves to
> appoint an ombudsman, but the sticking point on this
> is securing govermental and university ndependence,
> who, in short, watches the watchers and on what
> would its claims to being able to make a decision
> about a doctoral thesis reside?  I would be
> especially interested in hearing about other models
> (or ideas about this problem) and what you perceive
> to be their strengths and weaknesses.
> > > 
> > > best wishes
> > > Ruth.C
> > > 
> > > >>> Paul Bains <P.Bains-AT-murdoch.edu.au> 08/19
> 1:58 am >>>
> > > Inna,
> > > Valence looks good to me but I'd need to check a
> definite reference. 
> > > Your ordeal sounds medieval. Some of these
> 'examiners' are pretentious
> > > wankers.
> > > My topic was 'relations'.
> > > Short and simple.
> > > 
> > > later,
> > > Paul.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > At 23:47 17/08/2001 -0400, you wrote:
> > > >Hi Paul.
> > > >it was certification exam, then proposal, then
> written dissertation, then
> > > >oral defense with 5 committee members.
> Grilling. External readers are on 
> > > >the committee and supposed to be present during
> orals too. 
> > > >What was your topic?
> > > >forgot to mention, two foreign languages were
> required, one-french
> > > >taht i passed by total miracle. i do not speak
> french. Was told by the
> > > >way during orals that Massumi's translation as
> "valence" (increase in
> > > >valence etc) is wrong --it should be value.
> What do you think? I think
> > > >that Deleuze meant more "technical" term than
> value.
> > > >What do other french-speakers think? Charles?
> > > >inna
> > > >On Sat, 18 Aug 2001,
> > > >Paul Bains wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> I hope the viva 'defence' went well. I
> suppose you have external
> > > >> examiners/readers for the thesis?
> > > >> I also completed recently.
> > > >> paul.
> > > >> 
> > > >> 
> > > >> 
> > > >> 
> > > >
> > > >
> > > 
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