Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2001 13:53:35 +0100
From: Ruth Chandler <R.Chandler-AT-ucc.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: phantoms


Hi dan,
it does have a proximity to K's Nietzsche with one all important difference. in LOS D talks about ER as a phantasm and thus sets it free from K's vicious circle.

Ruth.C

>>> Dan Haines <machinedesign-AT-hotmail.com> 08/09 9:03 am >>>
hope i'm not missing the point if i mention that "phantasm" as used by 
deleuze has a specific proximity to klossowski's elaboration of the term in 
_nietzsche and the vicious circle_.  in other words, i'm not sure that a 
"phantom" is the same as a "phantasm"?  I don't have the book to hand as for 
once i'm in my office but i seem to recall that a "phantasm" is more like an 
obsessionally determined image, obsessively repeated, which thus 
suggests/reveals/constitutes the "more profound" "secret" repetition of 
difference in itself?

i suppose one could argue that a "phantom" is not so different, but i just 
thought i'd introduce this point. a momentary desire for clarity, i'm sure 
it won't last.

just a thought. :-)

best,
dan
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"A great problem, deserving acute attention.
I solved it by turning out the lights and
going to bed."    - John Fante, Ask The Dust



>From: adrian romero <nairdatl-AT-yahoo.com>
>Reply-To: deleuze-guattari-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu 
>To: deleuze-guattari-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu 
>Subject: Re: phantoms
>Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 21:47:31 -0500 (CDT)
>
>I want to give an intuitive opinion about this matter:
>i also think  that "the felt remnants of a body
>without organs" is almost a transparent interpretation
>of an empty body, it seems to be the feeling of a
>permanent form of subjetivation, just like a jar full
>of holes that couldnot be filled because it only
>passes throught water... thats why it rather remains
>constant, like a catatonic spectrum...  remaining
>nastyness of an obsolete flatness refered as an huge
>hug of a nonway sense, the great spinnig logic of
>caleidoscopic stupidity!!!!!!!!
>
>
>--- Dreamduke-AT-aol.com escribi: > dear list
> >
> > pouring through deleuze on phantoms: his mention is
> > almost as mysterious as his meaning. could it be the
> > felt remnants of a body with organs?
> >
> > thanks
> >
> >
>
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