Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 11:21:00 -0700 (PDT)
From: Paul Bryant <levi_bryant-AT-yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Ground, grounded, Quality? D&R enigma


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 Hi Ivind--
Deleuze is clearly referring to the Platonic theory of participation with respect to the forms, which he, of course, rejects.  In this connection, a claimant is determined as standing in the light of truth depending on whether he shares a relationship of resemblance or adequation (participation) to the forms.  Thus, for instance, all sorts of people rise up saying that they know what justice is or posses it, but only the claimants who conform to the true pattern or form of justice will be said to be just men.  The relationship of grounding *in Plato* is therefore one of the unparticipated (the form), the participatable (the relationship between form and entity) and the participated (the entity).  Those entities which conform to the form of say justice will thereby said to be grounded in justice, whereas those that do not (the simulacra) will be said to be ungrounded.  This is a relationship of representation insofar as grounding is a relationship based on resemblance between the entity and the form and on the primacy of identity attributed to the form as such.  Plato's theory of forms thus reveals itself to be a method for selecting among claimants (good and bad claimants).  Briefly and crudely, Infinite representation refers to Hegel's strategy of embodying all differences within the world by subsuming them under the identity of the absolute concept...  In that way Hegel is able to accomadate both the good and bad claimant under the logic of identity or representation, where Plato is forced to exclude the latter from the order of being as a mere illusion.  Deleuze offers a different method of selection which meets Hegel's requirement of immanence while maintaining openness under the title of the eternal return.
Paul
  Øivind Idsø <plateaux-AT-frisurf.no> wrote: Im having more than a little problem getting through the part on the
"ground", "the grounded" and "the Quality" in the Conclusion of
Difference&Repetition.

For example: "It is no longer the image which seeks to conquer
difference as this seemed to be originarily included in the identical,
but, on the contrary, identity which seeks to conquer that which it does
not include of difference. To ground no longer means to inaugurate and
render possible representation, but to render representation infinite."

And what exactly is the relationship between what is translated as the
"Claimant" and the "claim" to the ground? And the "the object of the
claim" or "that upon which the claim bears"?

("In order to have the daughter, one must resemble the father."
Meaning...?)

Any help on this part greatly appreciated.

best,
/ivind/





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Hi Ivind--

Deleuze is clearly referring to the Platonic theory of participation with respect to the forms, which he, of course, rejects.  In this connection, a claimant is determined as standing in the light of truth depending on whether he shares a relationship of resemblance or adequation (participation) to the forms.  Thus, for instance, all sorts of people rise up saying that they know what justice is or posses it, but only the claimants who conform to the true pattern or form of justice will be said to be just men.  The relationship of grounding *in Plato* is therefore one of the unparticipated (the form), the participatable (the relationship between form and entity) and the participated (the entity).  Those entities which conform to the form of say justice will thereby said to be grounded in justice, whereas those that do not (the simulacra) will be said to be ungrounded.  This is a relationship of representation insofar as grounding is a relationship based on resemblance between the entity and the form and on the primacy of identity attributed to the form as such.  Plato's theory of forms thus reveals itself to be a method for selecting among claimants (good and bad claimants).  Briefly and crudely, Infinite representation refers to Hegel's strategy of embodying all differences within the world by subsuming them under the identity of the absolute concept...  In that way Hegel is able to accomadate both the good and bad claimant under the logic of identity or representation, where Plato is forced to exclude the latter from the order of being as a mere illusion.  Deleuze offers a different method of selection which meets Hegel's requirement of immanence while maintaining openness under the title of the eternal return.

Paul

  Øivind Idsø <plateaux-AT-frisurf.no> wrote:

Im having more than a little problem getting through the part on the
"ground", "the grounded" and "the Quality" in the Conclusion of
Difference&Repetition.

For example: "It is no longer the image which seeks to conquer
difference as this seemed to be originarily included in the identical,
but, on the contrary, identity which seeks to conquer that which it does
not include of difference. To ground no longer means to inaugurate and
render possible representation, but to render representation infinite."

And what exactly is the relationship between what is translated as the
"Claimant" and the "claim" to the ground? And the "the object of the
claim" or "that upon which the claim bears"?

("In order to have the daughter, one must resemble the father."
Meaning...?)

Any help on this part greatly appreciated.

best,
/ivind/