From: "keyman_in_brighton" <keyman_in_brighton-AT-yahoo.com> Subject: some sub-representative notes Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 14:05:52 +0100 Unlike, it seems to me, many others on this list, I really know nothing about Deleuze and have no right to say anything about him nor do I want such a right. I like philosophy though. It suites my tastes. But "Sub-representative" is not MY language. See D&R pages 56,69,178,264,267,286.....to mention just a few of the many passages where this term is used. How have you missed it?!? why not look these up i thought - all references to english translation by paul patton, athlone press. Page 56 - used within scare quotes. it's meaning, within the context, seems to be 'the immediate' ("The immediate, defined as 'sub-representative'..."). Is this the first reference to sub-representative in DR? Is this anything other than a positing of a definition? ('defined as') Nominal usage. Also Deleuze indicates some desire or possibly necessity to 'attain' such an immediacy (the paragraphs in which the term is used and preceeding it are littered with lots of 'musts' - always seems a very 'ethical' or pleading sort of must. Plainly not a logical must of material implication. Page 69 - no scare quotes, now used in an adjactival sense to describe a particular sort of domain, which presumably is the domain of the immediate, going by P.56 - which also allows us to say that the 'sub-representative domain' cannot be attained by representations - which is a little like saying we can't think immediacy, perhaps. Why is anyone interested in this immediacy _within philosophy_? Within art, yes, politics and activism even, sex, love and death etc - these all seem to have an immediate (sub-representative domain), but philosophy? And surely if all we are speaking of is the immediate thought (and in philosophy, the immediacy of thought) then it seems to me that the cogito would constitute a sub-representative thought (the indubitability, not the i am). Page 178 - no scare quotes but no domain either, this time we have a sub-representative element. Presumably, following on the thread of immediacy, we can suggest that this is the element of the immediate, perhaps, speculating slightly now given the evidence here, I could even suggest that this element of the immediate is the non-mediated. Does that get us anywhere? It still seems that sub-representative means 'outside representation' and little else. Why sub? Can anyone with french suggest a background for this prefix-is it used? Page 264 - part of the conclusion. Here sub-representational is equated or aligned with the extra-propositional and also with the 'source' of the problem (which in this instance is that of the calculus and the antinomy between infinite and finite representation...) Again, it is a term that seems to me to be simply marking the excess, what is (almost in principle by definition) beyond representation. At its most simplistic this simply seems to be an argument that says 1) the immediate given is the source of all representations or representational strategies 2) the immediate is incapable of representation presumably 2) because of some reason...and some reason that allows us to represent it enough to show that it is unrepresentable. I must admit that if this emphasis on the sub-representational domain is pursued, it looks to me a lot like the unsayable which, as has been said, should be passed over. Page 267 - the four 'transcendental illusions' of representation are outlined in the conclusion to DR and here, whilst oultining the third illusion of the Idea or Problem-Idea Deleuze is going on about the way in which the negative is but the shadow of the affirmative. The affirmative Problem-Idea is the ground or 'universe' perhaps, from which the negative arises but these Problem-Ideas are 'extra-propositional and sub-representative'. Again, the sub-representational domain is negatively determined as that excess of beyond or bit outside the representational 'image of thought'. Page 286 - here the subject of discussion is repetition, the context being the strategies of representing repetition. "That is why, in order to represent repetition, contemplative souls must be installed here and there; passive selves, sub-representative sytheses and habituses capable of contracting the cases or the elements into one another...." In all these cases where 'sub-representative' is used as a descriptive term for a particular domain, sythesis or element, we have what in effect appears to be a negative function, that is, sub-representative means 'that which is beyond, before or outside representation' - that which representation cannot represent or account for. Instead of it being a particularly positive term within DR it seems instead to be a functional placeholder for 'that which is outside representation' and as such a bare begining for any understanding of the afirmative nature of the Problem-Idea of difference in itself. keyman 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000 I N D I F F E R E N C E P R O D U C T I O N S film, video, textuality http://www.indifference.demon.co.uk Yahoo ID = Keyman_in_brighton-AT-yahoo.com
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