From: "Lita Coucher" <lita_coucher-AT-hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: What's wrong with mainstream sensibilities?
Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2001 08:20:49 -0500


Hugh,

Thank you for such an in-depth reply.  Keeping what you said in mind, as a
novice both to criticism and this listserve, which is it we try to espouse?
Both?
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> I would say one's "independent" analysis and critique can not rise above
> personal experience, and at the same time, one's relative indpendence and
> judgment is inevitably influenced by "expert" doctrine we absorb through
the
> media.

Is theory and criticism part of this "expert" doctrine?  I've seen threads
here rallying against anything media driven?  Are we contributing to what we
want to disassociate with?


On another topic, has anyone seen "Traffic?"  I'm very intrigued, but need
an honest opinion.  Don't want to be a victim of my own epxectations.

thanks,
jenna





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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Lita Coucher <lita_coucher-AT-hotmail.com>
> To: <film-theory-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu>
> Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2001 3:42 PM
> Subject: Re: What's wrong with mainstream sensibilities?
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> > > LC,
> > >
> > > Not to be finicky about words,
> >
> > Hugh,
> > PLEASE be finicky about words.  That's what I'm trying to figure out!
> >
> > but your illustration seems to be
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> > > 1) a contrast of feeling, emotion, one's personal reaction to, and
> > enjoyment
> > > of a movie, vs.
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> > >  2) logical definition of its story, characters, cinematography etc.,
> and
> > > how they relate to each other.
> > >
> > > Two people may not agree about the emotional impact of a scene, a
> segment
> > or
> > > the entire movie, but are likely to agree about the facts
> > > of item 2.
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> > Yes.  I agree.  I'm in a bind about seperating emotional response from
the
> > functionality of the devices used to illicit that response.
> > lc
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> > > HB
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> > > > > And about what Lita was asking... I think in some cases it's more
> > > > important
> > > > > to have opinions than to analyze. I, mean, you can understand
> > something
> > > > and
> > > > > still don't like it. I remember an article by a music critic of
the
> > New
> > > > York
> > > > > Times saying just that... that he understood Schoenberg but still
> > didn't
> > > > > like him.
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> > > > Right.  My example of this is "Fight Club."  I really found it
> > distasteful
> > > > and grotesque, but i recognized it's value as a film.  I enjoyed
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> > > > into the themes, subplot, etc.  Film is such a subjective realm, i
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> > > > it's almost impossible to seperate completely the opinion from the
> > > analysis.
> > > > It's difficult, at the very least.
> > > >
> > > > LC
> > > > >
> > > > > cheers,
> > > > > Manuel
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