From: "Matthew Thrond" <mthrond-AT-hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=BFWas_Adorno_a_marxist=3F?=
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 22:43:04 PST


Ana:

Right on, but I would add that by Adorno's time being a "Marxist" was 
not the same thing as being a Marxist in the 19th century.  The 
tradition had undergone serious upheavals through the early 20th century 
(like a World War and revolutions in Germany and Russia, the first of 
which was overturned with the help of the Social Democrats--more on them 
in a minute, the second of which was a revolution of the will, not of 
inevitability).  Read Lenin, or Lukacs after the revolution (not utterly 
different, for instance, from the prewar Weberian aesthete Lukacs whose 
greatest teacher was an early academic critic of the rigid "class" 
concept).  Arguably neither man is a Marxist in the strictly 
physiocratic sense; more likely they both are; neither is imaginable 
without Marx.  E. Bernstein, a German Social Democrat, seconded Marx's 
concerns but rejected revolution for progressive politics; his party 
later rejected retroactively the first German revolution.  The Marxist 
tradition, subjectively understood as it was, inspired many of the 
century's keenest minds to turn against it in one form or another.  
Might one suggest that Adorno is Marxism after Heidegger, just as Lukacs 
(before AND after WWI, though more so after, disregarding his later 
disavowal of all his work while presumably under pressure from the--less 
Marxist--Soviet bloc) could be called Marxism after Weber?  Your 
comments are appreciated.




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>Vunch:
>
>You wrote:
>
>- In
>>the 60's, the students radicals were astonished and outraged that 
Marcus>e
>and
>>Adorno did not participate in the planned uprising of '68.
>
>Ana says:
>
>You are wright in what concerns to Adorno. But it is wrong in the case 
of
>Marcuse, that participated a lot in the uprising of =B468.
>
>You said:
>>
>>I think you are harboring some misconceptions about the FS works.  
Yes,
>there
>>were some members who were communists in the early 20's when it was 
quit>e
>>progressive and popular, but the FS has always pointed out that Marx's
>>fundamental thesis has never consisted of even a single shred of 
evidenc>e,
>>namely, the eventual collapse of capitalism.
>
>Ana says:
>
>Adorno considered himbself a marxist thinker, althoug he critizised 
many
>ideas of Marx, for example the one you point refering to collapse of
>capitalism. Nevertheless, I think that it is important to consider that
>Adorno writes in times in which many things have happened, his 
perspectiv>e
>is quite different having lived many years after Adorno.
>
>
>
>Ana
>


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