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Subject: Ynt: Foucault on Madness, other information
Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 23:03:56 +0200

Foucault's comment was based on the western elements because he saw the west
as the main locomotive of the capitalism.If you aim to analyze the
development of capitalizm you ll most probably fall in to the same trap and
forget the half of the hemisphere.Marx could be  an exception because he
felt himself obliged to contemplate on Oriental problem at least.On the
other hand in the Islamic world mentally disordered patients were being
cured with music and as you said they had some priority and seperated world.

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Kimden: William J King <>
Tarih: 06 Kasım 2000 Pazartesi 21:14
Konu: Foucault on Madness, other information

>Fellow Foucaulians:
>It has been a while since I have read "Madness & Civilization"
>but as I recall the drill went like this:  madness was
>tolerated and was a village issue until the demands of
>capitalism required a stricter order of communities.
>Then and only then, did the institutionalization of
>madness commence.
>Well, in my studies of Medieval Islam, esp, Howard Turner's
>_Science in Medieval Islam_ he shows a floor plan of
>a 13th century hospital in Cairo with rooms for each of
>insane females and insane males. (p 143)
>The point being that the demands of capitalism may not have
>been the  deciding factor in institutionalizing the insane.
>Other discussions of early institutionalization of the insane
>in Islamic states can be found in
>Michael Dols, Majnun: The Madman in Medieval Islamic Society
>or Manfred Ullmann, Islamic Medicine,
>Wm King
> They cannot represent themselves: they must be represented.
> Karl Marx, _The Eighteenth Brumaire of Loius Bonaparte_.
> The Indignity of Speaking for others.
> Gilles Deleuze, _Language, Counter-Memory, Practice_.


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