Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2000 20:32:54 +0100 (CET) From: Jeremiah Luna <jeremiah.luna-AT-zdv.uni-tuebingen.de> Subject: Re: Intellectual Specificity and Inner Fascism AUDIO: thys gret cete http://www.peak057.com/yourselfdown/ceteone.rm http://www.peak057.com/yourselfdown/cetetwo.rm if you don’t already have a realplayer click here in order to download it. http://proforma.real.com/real/jukebox/jukebox.html?src=001222realhome_1,001221rjbchoice_2&dc=122812271226 Ladies and Gentlemen, It is very nice to write to you tonight to announce the launch of a new, throwyourself: down a journal of radical theory and action, sorry I do not mean to blather, or any thing like that. . . But here are two new audio files from the essay, thys gret cete: two approaches and a belgrade diary entry . please listen to this audio file, it is better than watching TV, or a Rented Movie, or a Good Book from well know publisher. Still if press and media are just that the press and the media, what ever effect these hideous institutions might have on modern subjectivity and the present psychology of identity. Still the "social being"ness of the representative science of the citizen in mass society, faced with his alienation both social (in terms of personal lives) and economic class positions. The social narrative of the past "History". ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 14:59:36 GMT From: alanturner-AT-australia.edu Reply-To: foucault-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu To: Doug Stokes <dstokes14-AT-hotmail.com>, foucault-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu, deleuze-guattari-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu Subject: Re: Intellectual Specificity and Inner Fascism Firstly, hello, i have read from the Foucault list, and the ones with stuff about Guattari, and Neitzsche and Deleuze, from time to time, but never participated, in writing. So, hello. I hope that this maiden posting will be accepted as lengthy because it's 'beginners' length'... Mhmm yes, well, I really am interested in answers to the piece of fun posted by Doug Stokes. Isn't this all a piece of fun, your message, Doug? Sorry, okay... firstly, May I claim that I am also unfamiliar with either piece of thread mentioned by Mr Stokes. That said, may I know lauch a polemic of my own? In the form of some questions. (Can a series of questions be considered a polemic? - please, by anyone?) These questions, for Doug, if you would supply answers, or answers, from anyone? Q.1/ Who the hell did it? What, no. No, I'll have non of that. No more excuses. Now! I want to know who is responsible. ... Yes, right now! No. I said Now! OK. Who is going to own up to being responsible? ... Yes. Right, yes...for failing to ground themselves or their writings within a coherent 'politico-ethical framework'? ... Come on. I know there's a few out there. No skivving...yes, you, the poststructuralists, I see you. Yes. Over in the smoking section. Yes you. Disgusting, the lot of you. ... Lucky we're here today in Tokyo, you'd not be allowed to drape yourselves in those (smoky) clouds up the back there. ... No, like you are now. No you wouldn't be doing that where i come from... No. No thought for others. Smokers! Damn postctructuralists! ... Sorry. What?! A modernist? No. You're lying... No, you are not. No, well she's definitely not a... ... No. She's not, I can see well enough, yes even from here... it's a stage, I'm on, yes it's higher than... oh, look. It's not the point. As I was saying... ... No, an obvious crypto-feminist... oh, really, I'm sorry, okay then, a marxist. Better? ... Yes, well, that was not all that I'd expected to hear... Let's see if Q.2 is easier... So. Q.2/ Where comes from, the assumption that poststructuralists choose to navel-gaze? Who are this obvious, guilty mob of nihlists anyway, these poststructuralists? Line them up now, all who choose to watch from armchairs, the global juggernaut of capitalism as it goes gliding by their windows, again? ANSWER: Why don't you try putting up a 'stop' sign then, Doug. Or articulating a note and pass it on, next time the captain sails the juggernaut of capitalism along. Then we can stop the jutggernaut at the sign, and tell the captain to stop universalising oppression... Yes, maybe the Cap'n's just not aware yet... Go On... No you tell him: Okay... No more universalising now Captain Smears. Yes, the ol' jugger' is a big old vessel Cap'n, but you'll have to pull her in i'm afraid... ... Well, no, it's... well, while you were away Cap'n, you and the crew, yes, her, and the ship, well, there was a vote you see. ... No, yes, it was in all the papers. Oh, yes, yeah, the one's you told me not to send you. Oh, sorry, I forgot, yes, and it was also in all the news you asked the entire crew not to talk about after the last 'bad news'... yes, invariably Cap'n. Yes, bad. No, of course you're right... ... Yes, i'm sorry, I know, yes, depressing. But that's why you told us not to tell you, but... ... Continue, oh, sorry, well, Cap'n, yes there was a vote. ... Yes, a vote. Oh no sorry cap'n a 'popular vote'. No, not just us, no, well, yes, your mum did vote too. Yes... How many? Well, how can I put it... ... No, more. Okay, well, the whole world. ... No. I mean voted. No I mean the whole world. ... I'm not making faces. No I'm gesturing to indicate magnitude. Yes, a lot... No, I'm not being abtruse again. ... I'm sorry I'm not being nasty...No. OK. ... Yes, that's right. Yes, every human being in the world voted. And yes. No, Ohh, I don't know how... It's not the point. ... No, Yes...They decided that the Juggernaut had to stop. No, the... No, of Capitalism. Yes, that's right. This Old Juggy here. ... I'm sorry Cap, but everyone agreed. Too many inefficiencies, inequities, yes, but the repairers always replicate... No, it's not progress. No it's more like 'more of the same, but with even more'... ... Yeah, like excess. Yes, as you suggest Cap'n [waxing wise in the politico-economical]...yes, Cap'n, you are very astute. ... Yes, only 'economic progress' is valued across the board as a measure of success. Or, I mean 'progress'... Isn't that the definition? Of 'progress'... an increase in economic success. ... Blah, blah, script keeps going, so?... So, history has seen as 'progress', somehow, doing the same sorts of things differently... or in different levels, in different ways, using different modes, of expression, consumption, blah blah... isn't this 'progress': doing the same things more excessively, rather than really wondering, first, what progress means at all. ???QQQ How do we progress? Firstly, how do we measure 'value'? What is the source of your certainty, Doug, that 'global oppression', even exists? Do you mean that I feel a bit oppressed this morning because I had to get up early. For Work!!! Damn work. Damn getting up early, damn losing my wife, my kids. ...That 50 bucks... damn, 50... means I'll have to work again tomorrow... get that 50 bucks back... after all, i'll have nothing to blow on the horses, and getting drunk this weekend. if i don't make back the money i lost this morning... damn capitalism... i'm chained to the yoke of the juggernaut of opression. Capitalism. Really, Doug, what are you talking about? Or are you having us on back there, in your last mail? >>>??? Please tell me how, in your own life, you reach decisions about what is good and what is bad? <<<??? What is on the 'nice' side of the line that divides off what is 'oppressive' about the world? And, again, how do you decide? ?? ?? ???<><>??? ? ? ? ? W ? <<>> >< >>>>>>>> ??????? . Please tell me if you have some answers. Because I'd like to know how anyone can be said to be 'shirking responsibility' for anything, just because they fail to articulate or provide coherent theoretical bases for their lives. Please bear this in mind, Doug. That failing to say exactly 'why' (in what way it can be said, in so many words) the way people live their lives now is 'bad', or 'wrong', or 'encouraging', or 'unproductive', 'too academic', too hard-headedly 'materialistic', etc.. Failing to say things and failing to do are very importantly different things. It need not be pointed out, I'm sure, I hope... that many 'theorists' who are currently failing their responsibilities, right now, as we speak. ...Yes, skivving, shirking their calls to arms, are, despite this... specific, (thoughtful, if not intellectual) members of their own communities. We should do what we feel we should do to live as we feel we should be living... But, if this sounds like 'commonsense', right, or 'wrong', as a description of 'how to live life', Doug, what does it mean... why, anyway, is this monster of capitalism the central organising feature of your current perception of 'the wrong about the world'? and if capitalism structurates your world, should it be the pivotal focus of the lives of others.. all others... then, who? how? why? ----------- ================ -------------- I would really appreciate any responses to anything that was able to be read, and/or found coherent, or not, by anyone. Yes... Take Care, and, of course, extra points for certain answers... Yes, certain ones, of which you are absolutely certain. regards, al
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