From: "Tanju SARI" <tanjus-AT-superonline.com> Subject: Re: RE: arabs ana hanums Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 21:51:21 +0300 Where is this guy from who is a member of a nation suffered from Turkish tirany?He is a sufferer but cant seem to tolerate the others.So tirany and prejudice is a boomerang.. -----Original Message----- From: Allen Miller <millerpa-AT-gwm.sc.edu> To: foucault-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu <foucault-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu> Date: 16 Temmuz 2001 Pazartesi 04:01 Subject: Re: RE: arabs ana hanums >Tell that to Ho Chi Min. > > >>>> jivkox43georgiev-AT-yahoo.com 07/15/01 15:30 PM >>> >I repeat: the nationalism concern only the western >world. To the rest of the world it is irrelevant. >Michel Foucault knew it is a unimportenant issue, and >he avoided it. > >Zhivko >--- "Hennon, Lisa" <hennon-AT-arcadia.edu> wrote: >> I appreciate how Stuart Eldon approached this >> question. I wonder if a way >> to connect Foucault's work in this discussion about >> nationalism is to >> identify some of the discourses that have gone into >> the nationalism >> literature. Much of what I have read has been >> structuralist or humanist >> explanations, ways of reasoning that Foucault was >> avoiding. I am trying to >> use the concept of governmentality to ask what kinds >> of national imaginaries >> have informed U.S. education sciences, so in a way I >> am using Foucault's >> concepts rather than concepts of nationalism, but my >> interests intersect >> with the question of nationalism. Perhaps this >> worsens the understanding. >> I hope not. >> >> Lisa >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Jivko Georgiev >> [mailto:jivkox43georgiev-AT-yahoo.com] >> Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2001 11:31 AM >> To: foucault-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu >> Subject: RE: arabs ana hanums >> >> >> > If you can't see how biopower relates to >> > nationalism, I don't know what to >> > tell you. >> > >> neither do i, sorry. I cant see such thing, >> honestly. >> The nationalism was a question foucault never cared >> about. But my research showed me that "ethnic >> cleansing, nationalism, bla, bla, bla" is on the >> first >> page of every western newspapper and magazin. And i >> say to myself : wow!! whats wrong with these guys? >> Than i figure out a paradox: the world, for which >> the >> national borders doesn exist anymore, and in which >> everyone is nomore of his own race, this world has >> as >> a main issue the nationalism and ethnic cleansing - >> this western world is forcing, through the help of >> the >> weapon, the other world to confest that he, the >> biggest part of the world, is a Nazi and he is doing >> the ethnic cleansing, when in fact most of the world >> doesnt know what that means. Isnt that crazy? >> >> Assertion of rights and authorship? How Foucauldian >> > is this? >> How? >> >> Regards! >> Jivko >> --- newidder <N.E.Widder-AT-exeter.ac.uk> wrote: >> > >===== Original Message From >> > foucault-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu ====>> > >Calm down. >> > >> > Some of us are calm when writing this. >> > >> > >Let me most of all say, that Michel Foucault has >> > >never, absolutely never dealed with any questions >> > of >> > >nation, nationalism and so on ,these were never >> > among >> > >his problems. never. >> > >> > >I am of a nationality, which has suffered for 500 >> > >years under the turkish tirany, so i have the >> right >> > to >> > >say whatever i want about the arabs. they are >> > always a >> > >trouble. >> > >> > >> > >> > >"... Goodness, >> > >> > Nathan >> > >> > Dr. Nathan Widder >> > Lecturer in Political Theory >> > University of Exeter >> > Department of Politics >> > Amory Building >> > Rennes Drive >> > Exeter EX4 4RJ >> > United Kingdom >> > Tel: +44 (0)1392 263 183 >> > Fax: +44 (0)1392 263 305 >> > http://www.ex.ac.uk/shipss/politics/staff/widder/ >> > >> >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Do You Yahoo!? >> Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail >> http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ >> > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail >http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > >
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